JO Decides Code-Shares Are Better Than Flying Empty in HI

[Flyerjosh]

well let's think about it. sfo-hnl is about 2400miles. The CRJ200 has 14000lbs or so of useable fuel. A cruise burn is approximately 3000lbs per hour which means it should be able to fly for 4 hours and have 2000lbs left over. 4 hours at 600mph (groundspeed) would get it there with a couple of thousand pounds to spare.

Ok guys, these are just approximate figures... flame away.

Never going to happen. Not without ferry tanks at least:

Assume that the flight is flown at FL340 and .70 mach. That equates to roughly 405 knots true airspeed assuming standard atmosphere. SFO-HNL is a distance of 2082NM direct. Add an extra 5% (105NM) for routing/vectors and you come up with 2187NM distance.

So 2187NM divided by 405knots = 5:24 block time, take off to touchdown. Add on an additional 5% to correct for the fact that you aren't going to average 405kts (lower due to climb and time at lower altitudes), and you come up with 5:40. Add an additional :45 minutes and you need just under 6:30 worth of fuel, and that doesn't account for taxi time, delays, less than perfect profiles, or headwinds enroute.

14518LBS is the absolute maximum useable fuel. If you consider that the odds of a perfect refueling, fuel gauge inaccuracies, tank malformations and other things that might affect the total load, I'd only want to count 14000 of that as actually onboard/useable (personally).

So 14000 of fuel, divided by a flying time of 5:40 means that you have to have an average burn of no more than 2470lbs/hour (without reserves or taxi). No CRJ that I know of will make that.

So sounds like ferry tanks, dismantle and ship, or a really long glide at the end!

 

[DoinTime]

Long range cruise fuel flows in the CRJ will average around 2000 pph when cruising in the mid 30's at .69-.70. Direct distance from KMRY (Monterey, CA to KITO (Hilo, Hawaii) is 2014nm. These less busy airports will yeild very little taxi time and almost no vectoring but just to be generous we'll add an extra 36 miles for a total of 2050 nm.

Including additional fuel for the climb the no wind burn (@ 400 kts true) should be around 11,500. With a 50 kt headwind this burn goes up to about 12,700. That leaves just enough for IFR reserves.

This appears to be possible with some very detailed planning, little room for error, and favorable wind conditions. I'm not sure whats invovled with adding a ferry tank in the cargo bin but you can bet it costs money and that is against Mesa culture.

 

[wscrj]

Actually a problem they've been working on. The -200 DOES need cabin fuel bladders installed to make the trip. Seems they cut a hole in the floor and patch it into the center tank. A third pilot rides in the back to yank a valve.

All the details are a little fuzzy, but that seems to be the "jist" of it.

 

[Lilah]

Not really an expert here, and most single engine Cessna's won't make it without special tanks according to my calulations, but here's something I was told a long time ago.

A corporate pilot once told me it wasn't uncommon for early Gulfstreams to go to Alaska first, and then take advantage of favorable winds to make the trip to HI. Is this true?

It doesn't look very good with this website http://gc.kls2.com/, but I suppose the winds could make all the difference.

ANC HNL 2413 nm 6 hours/2min@400kt gs.

Lilah

 

[G100driver]

well let's think about it. sfo-hnl is about 2400miles. The CRJ200 has 14000lbs or so of useable fuel. A cruise burn is approximately 3000lbs per hour which means it should be able to fly for 4 hours and have 2000lbs left over. 4 hours at 600mph (groundspeed) would get it there with a couple of thousand pounds to spare.

Ok guys, these are just approximate figures... flame away.

Perhaps all of you genious' should become a study of your own industry.

Hint: all of those Caravan's and C-206's overthere did not come over on boat

 

[islandhopper]

Perhaps all of you genious' should become a study of your own industry.

Hint: all of those Caravan's and C-206's overthere did not come over on boat

Shoot they ferry 172's out here several times a year.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

FcuK mesa. The Boyz at Island Air/ ALOHA / HAWAIIAN are going to slap you Down.

 

[islandhopper]

FcuK mesa. The Boyz at Island Air/ ALOHA / HAWAIIAN are going to slap you Down.

that is the general consensus.

Nice railpic! D&SNGRR... been there... Actually, now that I think about it, been there in an airplane too. I buzzed that train once coming back from TEX down the rio de los animas canyon. I was just flying along fat dumb and happy enjoying the scenery and next thing I knew, there was the train way down in the canyon below me.

 

[AutoBus]

well let's think about it. sfo-hnl is about 2400miles. The CRJ200 has 14000lbs or so of useable fuel. A cruise burn is approximately 3000lbs per hour which means it should be able to fly for 4 hours and have 2000lbs left over. 4 hours at 600mph (groundspeed) would get it there with a couple of thousand pounds to spare.

Ok guys, these are just approximate figures... flame away.

mph? are you quoting from some inflight mag? no pilot uses mph to figure range. R U even a pilot? ever heard of headwinds? HNL-SFO maybe, SFO-HNL no way!!

 

[badog]

F#$ck Johnny Ornstien

I hope aloha, hawaiian and island air even pacific wings corn hole that f-ing whore into bankrupcy. I think J.O. is finally doing something so stupid he's risking his airlines profitability. You go mesa whores do your thing and let the bros in the lineup kick your A$$ just like pipe. No one and I mean no one comes into their house and pushes them around....