Word on the street about flex decertification effort...

MOMOMOJO

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How about the folks who would vote No to decertify then?
Why do you continue to pretend you are a union supporter and then reply something like this?

Absolutely the Union works to protect the best interests all pilots they represent. The proof is in the fact they are spending time and money to file a grievance on behalf of the very Red Label pilots who are working to decertify them.

The issue becomes about OTHER unions who have no duty to represent or protect Flexjet pilots and have every right to their own self protection. Those unions will simply find opportunities to give Flex pilots the cold should so they minimize the risk of anti-union cancer spreading to their ranks. It ain't rocket science so stop trying to find the gotcha clause.
 

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I get it momo

im only throwing this out there for some thought provoking

If Jimmy Doe voted to keep the union why should he be bypassed for future job opportunities?
 

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Some of you have been known anti-union guys for a long time. One of you even lied to my face in order to get me to help you out with an interview. I'm not the only one keeping track. Don't bother trying to make false claims at this point.
 

MOMOMOJO

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I get it momo

im only throwing this out there for some thought provoking

If Jimmy Doe voted to keep the union why should he be bypassed for future job opportunities?
The problem will be getting through to the opportunity to express your support. They simply will bypass Flexjet pilots in the early stages.

For those who served on committees or were especially string supporters I'm sure there will be some form of specific recommendation but outside of that good luck.

It sucks. But the fact remains if this an issue important to you, DO NOT LEAVE IT UP TO THE UNION TO CAMPAIGN FOR YOU! Every pilot concerned about this issue should be chatting up crewmates and FBO visitors every chance they get and explain how you don't want your career sidelined for a silly game.
 

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Political correctness? I've never thought the union cares about political correctness. True advocacy and political correctness cannot co-exist.

I'm sure the guys in charge are smart enough to deny the existence of blacklist behavior but we all know the reality is quite different. Aa EnFeugo correctly pointed out the way it will probrably play out is the name Flexjet on your resume will be synonymous with pariah, union buster, traitor. Every major and national hiring committee contains dyed in the wool union members. Advancement recommendations at the early stage are usually always unanimous. Flexjet pilots will simply not be considered. Even if just that one guy passes on you, you're out.

If you choose to look at it as thugly that's your prerogative. But most pilots see it as neccessary. Say you're the seller for an extra piece of property that just happens to be next to your house. One applicant is a child molester and the other is not. Even if the child molester offers more, wouldn't you do everything to avoid his offer? Trust me Flexjet pilots will be looked every bit as disdainfully as the situation I just described.

There will be some who have worked on committees or are in union leadership who's individual names can and will be filtered down to those hiring committee seats on a case by case basis but for the average OneSky/Flexjet/Flight Options pilot that won't be the case.

Brutal yes but absolutely neccessary. Keep your trash outside of your kitchen and you stay free from rats.

KEEP IN MIND EVERY SINGLE PILOT'S UNION HAS SIGNALED THEIR SUPPORT VIA LETTER OR STATEMENT. EVERY SINGLE UNION.

I don't care what JW, RH or even our own Union leadership have to say about it. Right there in the fact they have all sent letters or made statements, even ALPA, is all the proof you need to see what this decertification drive means for the dismal future career prospects for almost every Flexjet pilot if it happens.

Even if you think it's unrealistic, I don't think it's a bet worth taking. Even if I never plan to leave or am too old to consider it, it's not a gamble I'm willing to take on behalf of my colleagues either.

I don't see where there's even a debate at this point.

G.G.

I guess i get confused because doesnt management hire at companies? I get lost at thr part where they would associate all of us as union busters and skip us? Doesnt make sense in a shortage.

Either youre qualified or not? Idk. I havent had issues when going through the process.
 

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G.G.

I guess i get confused because doesnt management hire at companies? I get lost at thr part where they would associate all of us as union busters and skip us? Doesnt make sense in a shortage.

Either youre qualified or not? Idk. I havent had issues when going through the process.
By contract union pilots and union committees are part of the hiring process. The fact that you don't know that proves you are not as experienced in the process as you claim.

Shortage or not, airline jobs are extremely hard to come by. Believe what you will but you're a fool if you want to gamble the careers of 600 people on your limited skills of deduction.
 

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FLFlyer1 don’t be so nieve to believe that Pilots at any company do not know whom does or does not support a Pilot Union and it does not matter what Pilot Group you are talking about, you share the cockpit with a fellow Pilot for just one rotation and you can bet the other Pilot knows. The point is if Flexjet Pilots as a whole decertify the 1108 that could be catastrophic for the careers of Pilots that do not intend to retire at Flexjet. Plane and Simple!
 

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If we decertify, this place will become just a stepping stone. With a perceived risk of being blackballed, who would even risk coming here?

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We will be lucky to keep 50 planes staffed.
I don't see FLOPS keeping pilots or attracting new pilots either way.
 

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I just have to ask one question...

What in KR’s sordid past makes the Decert crowd think he will keep his promises now? I have a friend w a personal story about Ol’ Kens promises. He posted it on our MB. I will get permission from him before I post here, but every one of you on the fence need to think long and hard about the Devil your getting ready to dance with.
 

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To my understanding, JetBlue, Alaska Netjets and even the mighty southwest are having trouble filling classes.

So FLOPS and Flex will find it particularly hard
 

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This place is shrinking. There is ZERO GROWTH get it thru your heads already. Simple FING math. maybe to complicated for some of these Flexjet FKERS. look at the numbers 2 years ago ( pilots, planes ) look at them now. wheres the growth????? Every time they take delivery of a new plane they sell 5 or shut down a fleet. Nextant, X, Legacy. Fire Cabin servers out of seniority and tell them if they talk to the pilots they won't get their severance. made them sign a " will not sue discloser"...
 

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From AIN

U.S. Pilot Groups Urge Flexjet Pilots To Keep Union

Pilot groups across the U.S. sent letters urging the pilots at Flexjet and Flight Options—collectively known as OneSky—to vote against a “management supported” decertification effort of their union, IBT Local 1108. These groups included the NetJets Association of Shared Aircraft Pilots (NJASAP), Air Line Pilots Association, Southwest Airlines Pilots Association, Allied Pilots Association, and Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations. The decertification vote begins for OneSky pilots on May 2 and ends May 30.

“Our Flight Options and Flexjet peers owe it to themselves to fully examine the information they receive regarding decertification to parse fact from fiction,” said NJASAP president Pedro Leroux. “Management has everything to gain, and our Flexjet and Flight Options peers have everything to lose, including job security, access to just-cause language in disciplinary matters, and the right to bargain for improvements.”

According to Leroux, pilot groups should preserve their unions because “predatory owners and managers exist, and pilots require an advocate to defend their interests.” He also warned that, if the decertification effort succeeds, “the consequences to our profession will be very damaging and far-reaching.”

Leroux pointed out that more than 90 percent of the commercial aviation workforce is unionized, as “a labor organization can negotiate and demand compliance with a collective bargaining agreement on wages, benefits, and working conditions…Approximately 95,600 professional flight deck crewmembers cannot be wrong.”
 

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G.G.

I guess i get confused because doesnt management hire at companies? I get lost at thr part where they would associate all of us as union busters and skip us? Doesnt make sense in a shortage.

Either youre qualified or not? Idk. I havent had issues when going through the process.


This is disgusting. You are attempting to out members by their real names in order to threaten and intimidate them. This is a blatant violation of the terms of service of this board. Remove this and your other posts immediately.
 

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There will be no blackballing. It is illegal, and furthermore, unions do not hire. HR hires. Even if there is a union pilot on the interview board, they cannot ask questions about these matters. FJ pilots will not be unilaterally blackballed because there is no way to differentiate between union and non-union. This should by no means be a part of this decision.
 

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There will be no blackballing. It is illegal, and furthermore, unions do not hire. HR hires. Even if there is a union pilot on the interview board, they cannot ask questions about these matters. FJ pilots will not be unilaterally blackballed because there is no way to differentiate between union and non-union. This should by no means be a part of this decision.
You are misinformed. I was specifically asked why I left FJ on a recent interview. Once by the HR person. And then a moment later by the former NJ’s pilot sitting on the interview board. The implication was clear. They are well aware of what’s going on even if the average 121 line pilot is generally ignorant of the 91k world.
 

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And I was very carefully questioned. You could tell they weren’t gonna cross a line but still wanted some insight.
 

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And I was very carefully questioned. You could tell they weren’t gonna cross a line but still wanted some insight.
Yup. The first question was “Why did you leave FJ?”. The second question from the former frac pilot was “So why else did you leave FJ?”.

The implication was clear.
 

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This is disgusting. You are attempting to out members by their real names in order to threaten and intimidate them. This is a blatant violation of the terms of service of this board. Remove this and your other posts immediately.
Nah. I talked to him this morning. His words were if they want to think it's him, he's already got a target on his back so let him have his fun. Considering he's currently on a rotation flying his ass off, it would be fun to try to have the company prove he was posting from their own cockpits and wifi.

So with his permission, leave it. It just exposes how desperate and thugly their side is. It also prove there is no such thing as a neutral party (as FLFLYR1 claims) anymore. Those who claim it are just snakes in the grass at this point.
 

MOMOMOJO

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To my understanding, JetBlue, Alaska Netjets and even the mighty southwest are having trouble filling classes.

So FLOPS and Flex will find it particularly hard
A former Flexjet pilot, now at Southwest, said the word is out for pilots to bring in recruits so I don't doubt it.

Speaking of recruitment efforts, for those paying attention to the details in RH's email this morning, by his own words this place is no longer a career destination but an admitted stepping stone. Did you catch it?

I just about fell out of my chair laughing. At least with the slew of grammatical errors in that one we know it was really Rick!
 

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A former Flexjet pilot, now at Southwest, said the word is out for pilots to bring in recruits so I don't doubt it.

Speaking of recruitment efforts, for those paying attention to the details in RH's email this morning, by his own words this place is no longer a career destination but an admitted stepping stone. Did you catch it?

I just about fell out of my chair laughing. At least with the slew of grammatical errors in that one we know it was really Rick!
Both Eric and Jon are former Flexjet pilots. There are some here who are still in touch with them. Rumor has it RH's letter is full of lies and half truths. But for anyone who knows him that's not a surprise.

It's also not a surprise he will resort to putting former friends into very uncomfortable positions just to save some face.
 
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