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Word on the street about flex decertification effort...

MOMOMOJO

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El Raton whatever you are smoking it ain't legal.

First off you never answered the question why you never lifted a finger to help. Instead you lifted all kinds of fingers to hurt. You claim the Teamsters needed to lead but even you have to admit that's a pretty hard thing to do when you are constantly put in a position by both management and bought and paid for pilots of fighting on every front.

According to your posts this is 100% about SLI for you. The funny thing is it has been explained again and again using real examples how 99% of the list faired better under the Teamster committee plan than any other.

You claimed working conditions are not any better? You are crazy. Yes we lost a few things like midnight etc but overall what we lost were not huge factors. Personally the 1:30 vs midnight rule did not affect me once. However the ability to drop my bags at 14 is huge.

JM put out a huge list of what was better on the vuh so go read it vs me repeating it here.

Is this old Flex?.) No. But it never will be again. You need to realize we are Flight Options now under the Flexjet name. I know you have a tremendous bias against Options pilots but when are you going to see that is bought and paid for divisionary tactics and FUD from day 1? Management has tried from the announcement of the sale to create division for precisely a day like this day.

You are a smart guy. Why are you so quickly falling for the deception? Others have a personal vendetta. I understand their vision is clouded by vitriol. I consider the source and move on.

You cannot say with a straight face that MCBA was not an improvement on what was happening before it's implementation. You cannot say with a straight face that this Union hasn't protected us from what management would have done otherwise.

Could the mcba have been better? You better could have. The thing is every single person and Union leadership has admitted so. The problem stems from our lack of solidarity. You personally are to blame for a large part of that lack of solidarity not the leadership that you are trying to pin it on. I heard through the grapevine the arbitrator, when questioned why he seemed to be bought off, admitted if there was more support for this Union he might have considered broad changes. But because there was no support he decided to be as nuetral as possible and give the company the advantage when someone had to have it.

The union recently moved to mediation for Section 6 negotiations. In its decision to allow it, the NMB found overwhelmingly that management has refused to negotiate in good faith. This is a huge step toward a good contract. And now just when we seem to be getting somewhere you fools are going to swipe the rug right out from under all six hundred of us.

Just in time for Management's plan of delay, divide and deride to come to fruition. Congratulations.
 

shanes123

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MOMOMO you don't know its illegal. he could live in Colorado or California.
 

airman2105

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I just have to ask one question...

What in KR’s sordid past makes the Decert crowd think he will keep his promises now? I have a friend w a personal story about Ol’ Kens promises. He posted it on our MB. I will get permission from him before I post here, but every one of you on the fence need to think long and hard about the Devil your getting ready to dance with.
The desert guys need to read 2n's book one more time and let it sink in.
 

EnFuego

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Airman, watch the first video they put out. You can see it on the porn lounge. You need watch no further than the 1.5 minute mark. Kenn says "we need airplanes for 16 hour days". I thought 14 was the max...16 hour days...Vote Yes! for IBT 1108!
 

Imissmypilot

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Airman, watch the first video they put out. You can see it on the porn lounge. You need watch no further than the 1.5 minute mark. Kenn says "we need airplanes for 16 hour days". I thought 14 was the max...16 hour days...Vote Yes! for IBT 1108!
I'd be curious for some others who have recently gone or are going through 121 training to chime in.

The airlines have done numerous and repeated studies to show peak performance is considerably less than even the FARs allow. Fatigue and other related issues are stressed at numerous times during training. Most pilots from 135 carriers found it enlightening, especially due to the fact 135 maxs are higher despite more physical, mental and some times harder work.

The reason the big leagues are the big leagues is not because the work is tougher and demands more out of a pilot. It's more like the reward for playing the game correctly. 135 is considerably more demanding.

So why are you OK with working more and being paid less all so you can go back to at will employee agreements?

You are professionals who should be treated as such. IMHO the studies back up these 14 hour days that are routine at Flexjet are absurdly demeaning, unprofessional and dangerous.
 

jetwash

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Interesting article about West Jet and their bid for a union.
Yes it was interesting, what was even more interesting was that they now have a stong union and are pi$$ed off

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/westjet-pilots-alpa-1.4634715

Maybe this is an indication how a pro company group of pilots can change their minds and work together with other pilots to improve their QOL.
Lets see if the Flexjet pilots are team players.
 

Hogprint

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The desert guys need to read 2n's book one more time and let it sink in.
That and Confessions of a Union Buster.

It’s out of print now but there are still some floating around if you can get your hands on one. One of our guys applied for the Copyright and sent them out as E-books during the run-up to the ‘15 Contract. I think it can be found on Amazon.
 
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Pervis

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That and Confessions of a Union Buster.

It’s out of print now but there are still some floating around if you can get your hands on one. One of our guys applied for the Copyright and sent them out as E-books during the run-up to the ‘15 Contract. I think it can be found on Amazon.
Confessions is an easy read and would amaze anyone how closely these efforts by management mirror the book verse, line, and chapter. The methods are repeated over and over against union after union yet some never learn.
 

FLFlyer1

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By contract union pilots and union committees are part of the hiring process. The fact that you don't know that proves you are not as experienced in the process as you claim.

Shortage or not, airline jobs are extremely hard to come by. Believe what you will but you're a fool if you want to gamble the careers of 600 people on your limited skills of deduction.
Never said I wanted to gamble.was just a question. Point taken
 

airman2105

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So RH is claiming he has friends at all of these carriers and that they are willing to turn their backs on their own rank and file pilots in favor of him and his position to decertify a Union? I have to admit I never met RH, but he really seams like a desperate person that is trying to just hold onto his job. I feel sorry for him.
RH is the man of the moment....he will say anything to steer things his own way and then deny it later. If the IBT1108 stays he won't be needed by Mr Ricci anymore, his usefulness will be done so perhaps he will be needing one of those airline jobs out there.
 

GlorifiedCabbie

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RH is the man of the moment....he will say anything to steer things his own way and then deny it later. If the IBT1108 stays he won't be needed by Mr Ricci anymore, his usefulness will be done so perhaps he will be needing one of those airline jobs out there.
So, if he is such good friends with these other pilots, Why doesn't he have a better job?
 
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