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No- I don't blame United pilots for bush's NMB or his ATSB- I blame the ones who voted for him and his capitalist rhetoric even when he clearly used his govt position to try and pick winners-
UAL is one example- what's the percentage of DAL departures done by those not on your seniority list.
Try watching something other than msnbc for a change!
Your boy Barry is a 1 term pres, if he even makes it that far. How you can call Bush policies capitalist is just more gas for the fire that makes you stupid. But not unexpected from someone who bought his job.
keep up the good work, your stupidity just adds for more entertainment on this worthless site.

Well- at least you admit it.

The problem is that RJs have grown so big now you can't call that a stepping stone. Why not outsource everything smaller than a 757? Where does it stop.

You're equating capitalism and downward pressure from a competitor bs the complete disenfranchisement of HALF of ALPA pilots...

Wow.

So, your excellent hedge position, charging nothing for tickets, and making you buy your job had nothing to do with it?
You're right....WOW! Ignorance is bliss You are absolutely the biggest dumbass to ever type on this site.
Your airline cherry picks its cities. I don't see your airline at every major city in the US. What changed southwests model? You only used to go to cities like OAK, and PVD avoiding PHL and LGA. Now you're there and crying that you're not allowed more slots in those cities. Boo friggin Hoo!:crying:

I put it on ALPA pilots bc they are the ones who had to sign off on it- and they are the only pilots who have the power to kick the camel out of the tent.

So who do you blame for the whole pay for training? Who do you blame for age 65? Who do you blame for lousy pay and benefits? Look no further than the mirror.

Do you not see how little power the express pilot has in the situation?

Do you understand how keeping the rj drivers off your seniority list puts MORE downward pressure on your wages?

I don't have a hard on - I have a desire to help you UNDERSTAND what you are doing to yourself- and how much worse the effect is for everyone else.

It doesn't seem like you get it.

No, much like a neutered dog, YOU don't get it. Prior to 9/11 your airline was last on most people's lists. Weren't you yourself working for a supposed legacy? And the difference, good management, and a trip to bankruptcy for most of the legacy's.

And it doesn't seem like you have much integrity since all you offer is selfish excuses-
you stayed flying while Delta furloughed your junior guys- and outsourced their jobs. You SAY it was a mistake to let one jet off the property- but with no BK gun to your head in 2006- your group voted to allow 90 seaters.
You have no right to lecture me- I chose to work for the company with the highest paid domestic pilots in the country- the one who never in it's history has outsourced flying-

You also work for the only airline that requires you to pay for your training! No other airline does that. You also work for an airline that sold out its junior guys by supporting age 65. You guys were the catalyst for it, and yet, as a junior guy, who's teetering on a furlough this fall, with no official announcements for growth, you sit there and lecture legacy pilots. WIthout downward pressure from ********************hole companies like yours there wouldn't have been any pressure for lousy wages like you brag you make!

if WN does go that route- I'll have choices to make- I hope I can operate with more integrity than you guys have-

You can always go work for gulfstream international, since you have the whole pay for training thing nailed!;)

unions don't work w/o unity and there can be none as long as so many seniority lists fly for the same company.
Wave:
Don't ever lecture anyone about unity. Your senior guys sold you junior guys down the river....I'm just wondering why you're willing to keep your knee pads shined to keep them satisfied!
 
Bill-
this is getting stupid- we have lost a $Billion on hedges in the last few years- why were we still profitable? Bc we were using hedges to make a variable cost a constant - when it worked out well for us- we took advantage and that worked- but the primary purpose of the hedges was never to make money directly on them. They are so we know what to price our tickets in a world of terrorism, 2 wars, and oil spills.

Look, you asked why I think legacy pilots are a bunch of bitch sellouts and I told you.
Sorry you don't like the answer- but I find your selling out of rj's a much different thing than anything southwest has done to you.

Sorry you're a socialist and don't like competing- I do like competing and don't expect to ever get anything for nothing.
 
You guys are so sick of republic, mesa, skywest, go jet, and eagle and wanna move on great. Complain about VA when all you guys wanna work there (Or other carriers Mentioned) . I work for one of the carriers mentioned and every time I jumpseat it’s “When you guys hiring” or “Will you help me out” Let UM get started and figure it out. It worked for those Southwest guys right…. The guy making this thread is a republic pilot how much you guys wanna bet…Over it
Huh? Please rephrase in English.
 
I'm just saying....



Shoot, even Airtran and Allegiant are better.


VA FO rates > than Airtran FO rates

VA CAPT rates (yr 6 and less) > AirTran CAPT rates

AirTran CAPT rates (yr 7 and greater > VA CAPT rates
 
Look, you asked why I think legacy pilots are a bunch of bitch sellouts and I told you.

Sorry you're a socialist and don't like competing- I do like competing and don't expect to ever get anything for nothing.

Bitch sellouts?? So the gloves are off then....You make it sound like it was your superior operation with no Vnav or your v1 taxi speeds or making everyone buy a type that made it happen. It was hedging PERIOD....don't kid yourself!

Competing like opposing Government slot trades unless you guys get some??? (Wahhh, boo hoo). Those slots were ours when Herb was spilling whiskey all over his Texas triangle napkin. Why should you have any right to them? Oh yeah, that's the LUV version of competing....
 
VA FO rates > than Airtran FO rates

VA CAPT rates (yr 6 and less) > AirTran CAPT rates

AirTran CAPT rates (yr 7 and greater > VA CAPT rates

I guess you think you're comparing apples to apples, but the fact of the matte is the ONLY rate that matters is the highest rate the Company pays. Its that rate that OTHER companies seek to match.
 
I guess you think you're comparing apples to apples, but the fact of the matte is the ONLY rate that matters is the highest rate the Company pays. Its that rate that OTHER companies seek to match.


or not match
 
Yep- bill- little bitches can't compete and instead of taking the paycut directly you thought you could sign off on a little outsourcing and keep what you didn't earn- let the next generation take your paycut for you....

Class act
 
I guess you think you're comparing apples to apples, but the fact of the matte is the ONLY rate that matters is the highest rate the Company pays. Its that rate that OTHER companies seek to match.


At JB we only have one "negotiated" pay rate, 12 year 320CA. All the others are derived from a percentage of that rate.

And I use the term "negotiated" loosely of course.
 
Yep- bill- little bitches can't compete and instead of taking the paycut directly you thought you could sign off on a little outsourcing and keep what you didn't earn- let the next generation take your paycut for you....

Class act

Watching you wander around as an FO for the next 20 years will be classy too....
 

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