ALPA vs ALPA merger

[Bambam]

What does ALPA merger policy say about an ALPA/ALPA merger with respect to itegration? Any Delta/NWA guys remember?

Just curious what the possible Jetblue/Virgin America scenarios could be.

 

[Jim]

Relative seniority taking into account career expectations. Since both airlines are narrowbody Airbus, the career expectations should be equal.

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

Money begets Money

 

[maru657]

Hard to say what ALPA's policy is now. Up untill the 80's it was date of hire but it fell apart during de-regulation. It's the major reason no large ALPA carrier has been able to strike. Think of it like this, if Delta or Southwest were to strike I don't think the company would have a hard time hiring replacement pilots.

 

[Jim]

Hard to say what ALPA's policy is now.

No it's not. It's right in the ALPA policy manual.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Hard to say what ALPA's policy is now. Up untill the 80's it was date of hire but it fell apart during de-regulation. It's the major reason no large ALPA carrier has been able to strike. Think of it like this, if Delta or Southwest were to strike I don't think the company would have a hard time hiring replacement pilots.

No it's not. It's right in the ALPA policy manual.

Holy cow! Maru said something stupid and completely wrong? Who could possibly have seen that coming?

And more, he then tied that to something completely unrelated, as if he thought that one lie could make another, unrelated lie become true. What are the odds?!

Shocking, I tell you. Shocking.

Bubba

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA Merger Policy lays out a process and several guidelines, but doesn't have a methodology for integration. In practice, Jim is correct about relative seniority playing a large factor in most arbitrator decisions, but it's not codified in ALPA Merger Policy.

Merger Policy follows a simple formula:

1. Direct negotiations between the two pilot merger committees to try to reach a deal

2. If that fails, go to mediation to see if a mediator can assist in reaching a consensual deal

3. If that still doesn't work, go to arbitration, and arbitrators are directed to take into account various factors such as career expectations.

For a JetBlue/Virgin merger, expect largely straight ratio within status (captain and FO) with maybe some extra slotting near the top for JetBlue pilots to account for a pilot group with a longer average length of service, but not much.

 

[HowardBorden]

ALPA Merger Policy lays out a process and several guidelines, but doesn't have a methodology for integration. In practice, Jim is correct about relative seniority playing a large factor in most arbitrator decisions, but it's not codified in ALPA Merger Policy.

Merger Policy follows a simple formula:

1. Direct negotiations between the two pilot merger committees to try to reach a deal

2. If that fails, go to mediation to see if a mediator can assist in reaching a consensual deal

3. If that still doesn't work, go to arbitration, and arbitrators are directed to take into account various factors such as career expectations.

For a JetBlue/Virgin merger, expect largely straight ratio within status (captain and FO) with maybe some extra slotting near the top for JetBlue pilots to account for a pilot group with a longer average length of service, but not much.

Your prognostications have proven to be incredibly insightful in the past.

 

[PCL_128]

Indeed they have. Just look at the quote in one of your coworker's signature line of me predicting the screwing of the AirTran pilots years in advance.

 

[Old School 737]

Anybody want to speculate how the Alaska purchase of Virgin .. Would go merger wise ..