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Contemplating taking a job on a super midszie(who makes up these names?) 91/135 aircraft. They have been operating it with 2 guys but are extremely busy and want a third guy.

Im a regional airline guy and have no experience with corporate/charter QOL issues. What kind of schedule have you seen used with a 3 man crew before?
 

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I worked in a 2 plane 5 pilot Fortune 500 corporate part 91 operation. We had no days off except the days you did not fly. But we only flew 10-20 days per month. You normally knew 2-3 days in advance if you were going to fly when the CP assigned crews to the airplanes, but he might change his mind the night before so you were on a short call all the time. However on the flip side if you needed some time off for a doc's appointment of your reserve drilling, he was good about working around your schedule. It was a good job and I would have stayed there, if the 1982 recession had not cut the flight dept in half and caused me to become unemployed.
 

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its not based out of rdg is it??
 

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I've seen Part 91 3-man ops rotate, say 2 weeks on, 1 off, for all pilots, where all 3 were co-captains. 1st week on was right-seat, then you slid over to captain for 2nd week. Worked very well, but, I don't see how that would help much with any busy 135 scheduling, say, when the crew gets home too late to show required rest before an early morning 135 flight, you'd still be one pilot short.
 
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Been a part of a 3 man rotation pt 91. Many of your questions should be answered by meeting the Chief Pilot/Dir of Aviation. Some will treat you as equals, some will not. I imagine your lifestyle will depend greatly on the amount of 135 lift being supplemented. Good luck.
 

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Sounds like what we are about to do...
 

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I did a 2 week on, 1 off schedule. Worked out great. We'd also work with each other if we needed extra time off. Ie. 3 on, 2 off.
 

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what the heck is a co-captain?? a half-a$$ F/O who gets to make decisions? man i get a kick out of some of the terms you corp guys come up with!

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aa73, you've got a valid point about "co-captain." (Not my term, by the way, but I'll consider it dropped from my glossary!)
Just to clarify the situation I was referring to, all 3 pilots were type-rated and qualified, and during the rotations, the pilot assigned left seat was captain, the assigned right-seater was FO.
 

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what the heck is a co-captain?? a half-a$$ F/O who gets to make decisions? man i get a kick out of some of the terms you corp guys come up with!
Its where both pilots are current and qualified to sit left seat and they rotate PIC duties and neither of them gets there rocks off about being in charge.
 

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Hey AA,
Ever fly in the military? If you have and flew airlift or a tanker, two Aircraft Commanders many times are paired together, but only one of them can be in charge or have the (A-code).
The reason why I bring this up is to let you know that this isn't just a corporate thing, it's the same concept as what the USAF does, just called something different.
 

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Contemplating taking a job on a super midszie(who makes up these names?) 91/135 aircraft. They have been operating it with 2 guys but are extremely busy and want a third guy.

Im a regional airline guy and have no experience with corporate/charter QOL issues. What kind of schedule have you seen used with a 3 man crew before?

Which aircraft types fall into the "super-midsized" category? Citation X? Any examples?

Good luck!
 
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I believe the Challenger 300, G-200/250, Falcon 50, and the Hawker 4000 are all super mid-sized. Some claim the Citation X as well.
 

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"Super midsize" category would include for example: Challenger 300, Falcon 50, Citation Sovereign, Hawker 4000, Falcon 2000 (on the larger side), G-200, etc (not all inclusive, just come to mind).
 

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This is a very busy airplane. Im still getting more details but ill let you guys know when I get all details. So far it sounds like 8 on 6 off.
 

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This is a very busy airplane. Im still getting more details but ill let you guys know when I get all details. So far it sounds like 8 on 6 off.
I would KILL to get an 8 on and 6 Off schedule, we have been averaging 20 days a month for the last year, with only the FAA mandated 13 Hard Days OFF per quarter. Now that is Busy!
 

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I just got another email back. The owner hired a 74 year old friend of his for the 3rd slot!!! You thought age 65 was bad!!

74 years old. Can you even imagine?
 

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I just got another email back. The owner hired a 74 year old friend of his for the 3rd slot!!! You thought age 65 was bad!!

74 years old. Can you even imagine?
wow! there is hope for me just be just being youngster of 68
 
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