Southwest evaluates -800's

[mt2]

Yep, never ceases to amaze me how some people get soooo worked up that SWA pilots love (or at least like it a real lot) their job and their Company. Really, isn't there something more important or fun you could do aside from trying, unsuccessfully I might add, to make the SWA crowd feel inferior to those at XYZ airlines ??

Can we move on, please?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Hey General, you are just too easy buddy. Try this...

Compass.....36
Mesaba.......88
Pinnacle.....140
Comair.......120
ASA...........159

These total 543 without Skywest, Shuttle America and Mesa.

Its easily over 750 airframes (probably pushing 1000 if I had the exact numbers). What a joke. That's almost 300 aircraft more than Southwest even owns...

When I say enjoy your RJ's, you could pick one of a thousand!! Delta ALPA opened the door years ago, and YOUR management drove 1000 semi's right through the middle. You can go on and on about we parked this or that, but you will never recover the numbers you gave away.

How many pilots are not employeed by Delta because of this?

How many cities pairs lost?

How many airframes lost? Get the picture yet?

My last four day trip had two legs each day, so even your 4-5 legs a day rings hollow. Even on the rare occasion I do 4 legs a day, I know we are feeding our own operation....not farming it out like you do. Plus I get 105/hr after two years to do it. Enjoy all those RJ's buddy. I'll take the money to the bank and keep flying Southwest passengers....

well for... Southwest!

All this from a guy who's airline only flies to 62 cities.......

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Yep, never ceases to amaze me how some people get soooo worked up that SWA pilots love (or at least like it a real lot) their job and their Company. Really, isn't there something more important or fun you could do aside from trying, unsuccessfully I might add, to make the SWA crowd feel inferior to those at XYZ airlines ??

Can we move on, please?

You see, this is the problem.....

It's not a make-them-feel-inferior thing. They are the reason all of us are suffering becuse they whored themselves out of the Texas triangle by accepting trips for pay and no retirement, 6 legs a day, etc etc. There was a period not too long ago where SWA was a Pilot's last choice.....ala VA....and now they are paid, sure, because all managment had to do was point at their undercutting wages and contracts and say we were overpaid now. The reasons RJ's are around was becuase SWA paid and played like a regional in 1992 and management steered the senior guys into protecting their pay without first seeing the big picture.......

I don't feel any animosity to the SWA guy except when they jump on here and point the finger at us and try to compare an apple to an orange.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Hey Bill,

Southwest has a ZERO domestic codeshare clause, how about Delta?

Most international is off the table too. Kinda hard for SWA management to replace the ops.

RF

Something to be proud of......
Keep the domestic runaround...... You guys make as many hours as I do on a 3 day trip and you bust your nuts while I fly two legs and get fed twice and also get to take a nap......

We are two different airlines and once again, how many cities does your no-codeshare airline (and damn proud of it) fly to?? Trying to compare the two is stupid.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

>>>And, the majority of your trips have mutiple leg days. You can't say otherwise. It's great you have a trip now and then that have fewer legs, but that isn't how your trips work. Your trips are supposed to be high productivity trips. Normally legacy pilots fly from BOS to LAX, or JFK to SLC and they are done. Not you guys, you fly BWI to SLC, and then onto LAS, and SJC. That stinks. Your trips try to get the max out of every day, .....<<<<

The SWA guys generally block the same hours of flying in 12 days of flying that the legacies get in 15 days of flying. If paid the same per block hour, I'd rather do the SWA thing (but of course the SWA guys are getting paid more these days).

Yeah.....super.....I get to make more than you with 20 minute turns sprinting for a burger and sweating like a sow in heat 6 times a day.....

that's REAL progress.

 

[waveflyer]

Really? How do you figure that? SWA has had higher pay rates for flying 737's than Legacy widebody guys have had since 2002-2003. SWA rates haven't helped legacy pilots for the past 7 years, what is going to change now? Management comes crying they can't earn any more money. They threaten furloughs and bankruptcy, then the pilots cave and either take concessions or accept the status quo. I thought everyone knew this by now. This is America, that's what pilots do in America. It's Stockholm's Syndrome, you get beaten and abused so badly by someone and then you start to grow fond and end up protecting your abuser. How else to explain the management labor relationship in this putrid industry?

Thx-
pipe gets it. You took paycuts bc the majority of your membership has failed to recognize how political our contracts are- and have supported politicians who do NOT support or value us.

You can't have it both ways-
w/ southwest either- can't malign wn for their crappy pay as a startup and NOT praise us now for holding the bar up for a better part of a decade (as the GOP stole from us...)

so many of you need to move to Cuba - funny how I've yet to meet one wn employee who cares about VA- the attitude is knock yourself out- you want to compete- go ahead and try

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Oh this is rich...............

Thx-
pipe gets it. You took paycuts bc the majority of your membership has failed to recognize how political our contracts are- and have supported politicians who do NOT support or value us.

Maybe because many of us don't look at our jobs as the #1 priority. Of course if you spent less time at the gym working on those abs for that man in your life and, for the love of God, stop watching MSNBC, you'd understand that!

You can't have it both ways-
w/ southwest either- can't malign wn for their crappy pay as a startup and NOT praise us now for holding the bar up for a better part of a decade (as the GOP stole from us...)

We also blame you for supporting pay for training, and age 65, but I guess that went right past you.
I'm also guessing you forgot who was in charge of Congress for the last couple of years during the last GOP president's term. And by the looks of things now, the Dems are doing an incredible job of making Obama look like an opening act for Milli Vanilli!

so many of you need to move to Cuba - funny how I've yet to meet one wn employee who cares about VA- the attitude is knock yourself out- you want to compete- go ahead and try

Coming from someone who doesn't understand the constitution, and supports a socialist government, I suggest you move to North Korea. At least with Cuba you get the sunshine and palmtrees.

 

[johnsonrod]

Something to be proud of......
Keep the domestic runaround...... You guys make as many hours as I do on a 3 day trip and you bust your nuts while I fly two legs and get fed twice and also get to take a nap......

We are two different airlines and once again, how many cities does your no-codeshare airline (and damn proud of it) fly to?? Trying to compare the two is stupid.

Forget the General, Bill Lumberg is now my NEW BEST FRIEND!

 

[mt2]

You see, this is the problem.....

It's not a make-them-feel-inferior thing. They are the reason all of us are suffering becuse they whored themselves out of the Texas triangle by accepting trips for pay and no retirement, 6 legs a day, etc etc. There was a period not too long ago where SWA was a Pilot's last choice.....ala VA....and now they are paid, sure, because all managment had to do was point at their undercutting wages and contracts and say we were overpaid now. The reasons RJ's are around was becuase SWA paid and played like a regional in 1992 and management steered the senior guys into protecting their pay without first seeing the big picture.......

I don't feel any animosity to the SWA guy except when they jump on here and point the finger at us and try to compare an apple to an orange.

C'mon Bill, really? Seems overly simplistic to me. Have you forgotten People Express, Frank Lorenzo, Chapter 11, etc and their effects on industry pay/benefits ?? Maybe it's just me thinking they had some impact on our profession. And blaming RJ's on SWA too -- nice, pure genius!! Here I was thinking Comair/Delta Connection was doing it, with DALPA approval, to upgrade their "regional" service from their Saab fleet as a way to help keep high yield business travelers.

In truth as a neutral guy I have to say both airlines would offer great career prospects. Each has its pros and cons but overall would be a great place to call home. But, as an outside FI observer it seems the SWA guys tend to be more in a defensive mode as opposed to the few OAL guys pointing fingers ...

 

[StopNTSing]

But, as an outside FI observer it seems the SWA guys tend to be more in a defensive mode as opposed to the few OAL guys pointing fingers ...

Interesting observation. Though I would venture a guess that far more SWA threads have been hijacked by Delta dudes (like this one), than the other way around.