US Wholly-owned done for

Beavis

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New CEO Dave Siegal has finally satated what we all feared.....wholly-owneds will not get any of the RJs to be flown at airways! He said we were given a chance to agree to LOA 81 and did not, which is an utter sham, and that we are not experienced at Jets!! What a crock! Was TSA, Mesa and Chat. experienced at jets before they got their first one? No! We were set up to fail by U from the beginning. Even had we agreed to the criminal LOA 81, U wanted major concessions in pay, and work rules! Including, dropping our defined retirement fund, furlough protection, and pay concessions on our current props. Since we have already been told that we are returning our aircrafts as the leases come due, I guess that means we are done for! Good luck everyone! Time to start over...again!
 

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Man, that is horrible. Well, you will find me up in arms if the Federal Gov give US Air a single dime, or any loan guarantees. (with my tax dollars)

I encourage you to call your congressman/congresswoman and ask them the provisions for the aid or loans to the airlines... be sure to let them know that U group will not be preserving jobs nor meeting most of the requirements for receiving the alloted money.

A sad day my fellow pilots.
 

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I don't fly 121 or even 135, I'm just a corporate piston geek. But I've been following this issue for a few weeks and while I generally believe the market decides who's gonna fly what and for how much ... this thing with USAir is the most god-awful sh!tty mess I ever seen. This really is some nasty stuff.

Best of luck to you guys ... especially 328Dude and Smoking Man. I hope for bigger and better things for all ya'll.

Minh Thong
 

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Thats a good one, we all know how hard jets are to fly compared to DHC-8's.

Alot of good people are being sent out the door.

Good luck to us all.

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Question for Beavis

I want to see Siegals statement, where did you find that info?

Thanks!
Terminated Dash driver
 

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Apparently Siegel made these statements at a roadshow in CLT. The WO's are just not qualified to fly RJ's. I'm sure our pilots wouldn't know what to do without a set of condition levers. If this goes down I hope every furloughed Airways pilot ends up at Mesa. I'd like to see them get a load of those work rules! What I don't understand is why U management wants to keep sending checks to contract carriers instead of building the valuation of their own airline. It seems like they are just helping to create a future competitor. Mesa is already the largest shareholder of U stock with about twenty percent.
 

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Whatever more scare tatics

Mr. Siegel you don't scare me/us. We've been around the block more than once (look at our seniority list). They tried this in the sh1tbox to dash days and it didn't work then. Mr. Siegel I will get another job before I give up furlough protection and am not about to sell my soul for an RJ. I do favor giving back to the company but will not give everything with no agreement for anything in return. Also to all out there on the board remember nothing is signed so non of this mean anything.

Goodnight A$$hole
.....and I plan on seeing you in PHL later this month
 
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If that Siegel statement is true, and I have no reason to believe it's not, then He can take those RJ's and shove them right up the sacred mainline pilots @$$ further more in that event I hope Mesa with their 400 hour grizzled veterans take all the mailine jobs. And maybe if the mailine guys beg long enough they will get a preferential interview. In the end I'll be on the street but I know I never whored myself out for ANY job!! NO CONCESSIONS!!!
 

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please dont take the bitch who wrecked one of our ERJ's in roanoke to be represenative of the pilots here. (mesa) She was a 2000 hour beech FO who couldnt get signed off for upgrade in the 1900, so she was screwing one of the sim instructors to pass the training in the erj. not likely to HAPPEN AGAIN
 

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All you UASShair guys/gals are going to have a rough time getting home on an MEL'd jumpseat!

Maybe MESA will take you!

GUNRUNNER22
 

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The only thing worse than this is to be bought by mesa. Then both us and mainline can get stamped to the bottom of the seniority list ( that is if we were even given a job) . ALG just came out with our reduction bid for July 1st. Does anyone know if reduction means furlough or termination for the guys who didn't make the cut like myself ?
 

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You will be fired if the mainline guys take your job. You will be furloughed if they go to MESA. The reason is an ALPA pilot can't take another ALPA job if said carrier has pilots on furlough. If they did they would be a SCAB!!!
 

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His message is true, I was there. Should have heard my teeth hit the floor after his comments.

Ok, i was hoping that I wouldnt have to ask this but the end is in sight my friends. Who's hiring?
 

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I know what they say about an airline pilot isnt one until he is furloughed a couple of time but, man this is rediculous.

Some guys are getting a couple in one year.

"Hey Mav, what was that # of that truck driving school"?
 

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**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** I knew it!! I'm sorry to hear that for the wholly-owned pilots. I knew all along that we were all in this boat together and I said a while back, that "USAIR WILL EAT THEIR YOUNG!" Looks like the track record for Siegel is coming to front again. Where he put the express operation at CAL under one flag so to speak.

GOOD LUCK GUYS.... I've been on furlough for now 23 days and it sux!!
 

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328dude said:
His message is true, I was there. Should have heard my teeth hit the floor after his comments.

Ok, i was hoping that I wouldnt have to ask this but the end is in sight my friends. Who's hiring?
328dude, I assume your at PSA Airlines, which I have a few friends there, and I am curious what this means for you guys? I notice that PDT and ALG are firing pilots and getting rid of the props, but I have not heard this of PSA. As a matter of fact I heard that PSA just renewed there prop leases. Also a friend who is already furloughed from his airline, just got furloughed Monday from PSA and all future classes cancelled. Of course the Director of Operations came into there class last week and told them he thought "PSA would get at least 30 jets", only to then fulough the whole class Monday.

Remember guys time is time and try to get as much PIC turbine as you can, as I have friends who are furloughed and would love to have the chance at Jet Blue or Southworst, but can't because of the jump they made before they had the 1000 hours of PIC. I wish this was all a bad dream for you guys, but its not, and once we start hiring I will gladly help anyone out.
 

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True?

Hey 328dude not to start anything but I'm hearing from other people that he didn't say this and its not true. Anyway I plan on asking him in PHL on the 28th.
 

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I wish it wasent true my friend. I hope you get a diffrrent response and Seigal thinks diffrently about things when you ask him the same question.

As far as PSA goes? Hmmm, not real sure. Only the 8 guys are on the list so far and so far that's the only one's. As far as getting jets......I'll believe it the first time I write one up in the can. God, i hope it does and everybody from PDT and ALG get to come back, but very doughtful right now. PSA is very hush hush about things and or VP of OPS has been in closed doors the last four days. Something is brewing and I hope it's a good thing.

I've met alot of the AA guys that are back with us. All great guys. I hate to see any of them get furloughed or anybody for that fact but twice in one year really scratches the monkeys arse.
 

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Flyin@500agl:

This is the Piedmont Pilot update for Wednesday May 22, 2002.

There are three new items in this update.

Item one, USAirways road show. Today USAirways CEO David Siegel conducted the first of several road shows in Charlotte. The road show consisted of a Power Point presentation that outlined the challenges and choices facing USAirways, followed by a question and answer session. Most of the Power Point presentation was conducted from the letter that was sent out to all employees last Thursday May 16th. During the question and answer portion of the presentation, a question was posed to Mr. Siegel regarding the upstart of Potomac airlines and regional jets. He was asked why the company is once again starting up Potomac airlines and bringing in a new management team and employees, when he has three highly capable wholly owned airlines that are furloughing pilots and returning aircraft to their lessor. All this in the middle of talks of needing to save money to preserve USAirways. His response was that he was more concerned about preserving 11,000 mainline jobs, and that Potomac airlines will provide mainline furloughees with a job. He went on to say that these furloughees would provide Potomac with "experienced jet pilots." He also said that the wholly owned airlines were costing the company more money over the past few years, and it was cheaper to operate flights using the contract carriers. Mr. Siegel said that the wholly owned carriers were offered the chance to negotiate for the RJ's, but that all three said no.

Your MEC was extremely shocked by Mr. Siegel's comments today in light of the fact that we've been negotiating with USAirways and Piedmont management for the last three weeks and as recently as this afternoon. The proposal we presented to management last week is still on the table and waiting their approval, regardless of Mr. Siegel's comments. Your MEC Chairman has contacted Piedmont management, USAirways MEC Chairman Chris Beebe, and ALPA President Duane Woerth in an effort to understand Mr. Siegel's statement and ask for clarification. More information will follow in the coming days.
 

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Yah I herd it last night

Like I sad I'm not trying to start anything but it sounds a little fishy to me and some others out there. Anyway like I said I'll ask again when he is in phl. Also if we are costing him $$$$ then why hasn't himself or Wolf (in the past) shut us down. We all know that they would do it if we wern't making money.
 
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