SLI. What's fair and equitable.

[shanes123]

Absolutely. They have a Flexjet seniority Number and thats the Number that they should be assigned and the seat that the number holds should belong to them..But hey they got a free type so its not all bad.And the union leaders better fight for that. they can't afford to lose anymore support then they have somehow

 

[Dingo221]

I disagree with you but I think that the interview to get the position was not leggit

 

[SDCFI]

It's a slippery slope to up and kick the G pilots out right away, and I believe the official union position is no flushes. I do agree any transfers (international included) should be given the option (no pun intended) to either go back to FO and keep that seniority number or stay and lose it for good. You put a fence on the international aircraft for some period (1, 3, 5 years, whatever). After that they open up for bid. The big question is: what date will we use for SLI? Vote close, single carrier finding, purchase? Will have a big impact considering all the movement in the last year or so.

 

[Dingo221]

The L.O,A. for the Flight Options pilots was ratified by the union when the contract was ratified.
Why any changes should be made now?
Oh I see may be when the wind change, the Union change their mind!
Look out for a big law suit if this happens

 

[dime line]

I disagree with you but I think that the interview to get the position was not leggit

Now there is the quote of the day

 

[cougar12]

The L.O,A. for the Flight Options pilots was ratified by the union when the contract was ratified.
Why any changes should be made now?
Oh I see may be when the wind change, the Union change their mind!
Look out for a big law suit if this happens

If I am not mistaken, the L.O.A is an agreement between the pilot and the company. It has nothing to do with the union. The union only makes sure the L.O.A complies with the contract. I don't think there is a law suit anywhere. There could be one if a pilot had big enough pockets and applied for an L.O.A to go work for say DELTA or NJ and got denied by the company.

As for as SLI is concerned, 6 pilots will determine what it will be and D.C. will either give it a blessing or kick it back. Nothing the union or the company or your LOA says means a damn thing.

 

[993_Pilot]

The L.O,A. for the Flight Options pilots was ratified by the union when the contract was ratified.
Why any changes should be made now?
Oh I see may be when the wind change, the Union change their mind!
Look out for a big law suit if this happens

Wrong. First of all, the L.O.A. wasn't "ratified" at all. If I am not mistaken, the company wanted two year L.O.A.'s but the contract stated that up to one year could be granted by the company and the union held them to it, because that is what the contract says. So what happens when the one year is up? Do they come back?... or do they stay at Flexjet and give up their Flight Options seniority number? What would be the incentive for the union to voluntarily allow the company to break the contract? I don't have the answers here, but you really need to look at this from every perspective, not just your own, or management will play us all like pawns. Heck, the very fact that the Gulfstreams are even on the Flexjet side is part of the whipsaw. FYI, Kenn Ricci announced we would be adding a Gulfstream program long before he announced the purchase of Flexjet, and even though we didn't know what the mid cabin replacement was for the C-X program, we knew it was coming, we just didn't know they would be offering incentives and migrating the mid-cabin FO customers to the Legacy 450/500's or Challenger 300/350's. He bought a lot of votes putting them on the Non-Union Flexjet side of the house and even more by allowing certain Flight Options pilots a way to circumvent seniority. This is the old divide and conquer strategy, and you can bet this will play out during fence negotiations as well. In fact, there is nothing in the current Flight Options fleet that is part of the "Go Forward" plan, except the Phenoms (which are being sold under the Flexjet brand) because Flight Options brand is being phased out. So now, after fences are complete, if the Flight Options pilots fly anything other than one of the dying fleets or a Phenom, then management will tell the Flexjet pilots that the union is forcing them to give away your flying opportunities. Conversely, if the union keeps rigid fences as they are now, then he will tell all the Flight Options pilots that the union is forcing him to deny them the opportunities in the "go-forward" fleets that they would have otherwise. It is a very difficult and precarious position to be in, because either way it ends up, KR will try to spin it as the union being our enemy. The same thing goes for SLI. No matter how fair the SLI committee tries to be, it is almost guaranteed that nobody will be happy except the person that ends up as #1. Management will try to spin that too. Divide and conquer is all it really is. What we ALL need to do is start thinking about getting past SLI and developing real solidarity. It shouldn't be Flexjet pilots against Flight Options pilots. For now, it should be the Onesky pilots against Onesky management, and until we all realize this, they will continue to whipsaw and play us against each other. If both groups keep thinking about nothing more than themselves and don't start think about us as one big group, then we are already doomed. However, if we can quit thinking selfishly and get some solidarity, then we can negotiate a good Joint CBA, put the negotiations and rhetoric behind us, and go out in to the market place and kick some a$$! Then we all benefit.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Any news?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

The SLI committee must have their work cut out for them. For the list not to be put out by now can only mean there is a delicate balancing act going on. This mess has been created by Ricci, so he should take the blame for any unfavorable results. Given his track record, he will no doubt use the SLI committee as the fall guy.

 

[Bjtdrvr]

Just announced today that the SLI is complete and has been sent to lawers for review. It will remain confidential until they give it their approval.