Delta Orient????

[Deli Guy]

They are NOT suppositories??? So I've been walking around with an ass load of smart pills for the last 20 years? I just took one orally and I am beginning to see the error of my ways. Thank You. Great post!
Deli

 

[Cyclone]

people are funny. look at the general. he is a good DL employee and is basically a DL kool-aid drinker (if there is such a thing). he still believes in the company...he is a good boy scout...trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly...

wake up dude. DL management (fill in NWA, U, etc) has porked away decision after decision after decision...starting way before 9/11 and lcc pressures.

e.g. what planes should we fly? what cities should we serve? how should we treat our employees? how do our customers perceive us? hey i know we can paint some of our airplanes white and green...etc.

mistakes...failure after failure after failure.

now all of a sudden because DL is in BK we are supposed to think that these same incompetent turd-for-brains are going to start making good decisions and that your company is going to start making money again. ok...if you think that is the predictable outcome...good for you. whoa. i would be very worried.

 

[General Lee]

people are funny. look at the general. he is a good DL employee and is basically a DL kool-aid drinker (if there is such a thing). he still believes in the company...he is a good boy scout...trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly...

wake up dude. DL management (fill in NWA, U, etc) has porked away decision after decision after decision...starting way before 9/11 and lcc pressures.

e.g. what planes should we fly? what cities should we serve? how should we treat our employees? how do our customers perceive us? hey i know we can paint some of our airplanes white and green...etc.

mistakes...failure after failure after failure.

now all of a sudden because DL is in BK we are supposed to think that these same incompetent turd-for-brains are going to start making good decisions and that your company is going to start making money again. ok...if you think that is the predictable outcome...good for you. whoa. i would be very worried.

Well, you have some of it right. Management has made some major mistakes. But, we all know that we started too late in saving money at the same time, and a lot of that had to do with our old management headed by Leo Mullin. He put a bunch of money offshore for his senior executives (the SERP), and that didn't go well. As far as dealing with the new realities of flying in America after 9-11, we started off ok---we created Song and it has won some praise. But, we still bought more and more RJs thanks to Fred Greed, who is gone now and incharge of the new Virgin America. Then, Grinstein took over and took too long looking at the situation. After 8 months, he came up with a plan and started it---getting rid of DFW (a money pit), Simplifares, Operation Clockwork at ATL, and fleet simplification. All of that is good, but we were a tad bit late initiating it, and oil got too high for most. Also, the migration of 2500 Captains taking their lump sums didn't help with the cash flow.

So, we now have a plan, but we are low on cash. So, what do you do? Go to court, get rid of planes you don't want, lower lease rates if you can, dump pensions (2500 took half already), and move on, maybe with a dancing partner. No kool-aid here, except I really do enjoy my job.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cyclone]

oh general

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclone
you can't pay the mortgage. credit card bills are overdue. last time you made a car payment was in june. electric and phone bills are late. creditors calling. time to file bankruptcy so all the troubles go away.

filed bankruptcy today. tomorrow you go shopping for a brand new M3 convertible? wtfo? i don't think so general. keep sniffing glue though it will help you maintain the positive outlook.

The General's response:

"Maybe you didn't hear about the AirCanada Chap 11 filing. (or whatever is it in Canada) Aftr being days from liquidation, they came out with a huge Boeing order for 20 787s and 35 777s. The reason it later went south was a pilot dispute over seniority on certain planes---CP Air pilots versus old Air Canada. I don't think that would happen here (?), but it shows you that anyone can get new planes after a bankruptcy."

so what you are saying general if i understand you correctly...

no man...you're wrong...one time there was an airline in bankruptcy...and they almost got new airplanes...they didn't get new airplanes...but they had it all lined up and it almost happened...but then it didn't...but it could have and it could happen again...so i think it probably will...and i know that we here at DL are confident...that we will be flying fuel-efficient money making airplanes in the near future...because our executives now know that is the way to go...etc etc etc

did i see a -200 in SLC this morning?

you guys are deep in the korean cabbage general...deep!

 

[DetoXJ]

Detroit NWA + Delta + Ghetto Delta



http://www.funnyjunk.com/pages/ghettodelta.htm

 

[skykid]

And to succinctly respond to your current post, please define "strong." Is $5 billion in debt "strong"? Please do enlighten us with your deep wisdom.

Could you please post where you get "$5 billion in debt" from? Since you insist on telling me to do some research, I'd like to hear it.

I could give you a couple explanations. Depending on what source you use, 5 billion is about 28% of NWA's total debt, or about 18% of Delta's total debt, or about 11% of their combined total debt. If you mean what they owe in pension payments, that makes even less sense, but 5 billion is still low. Since you want me to "enlighten" you, I'd say that if either of these airlines only had 5 billion in debt, they woudn't be within years of a Ch11 filing.

The point is, you have no idea what you are talking about. The dead giveaway is when you have to go to "smart pills" and "jamming in the wrong hole" instead of facts or debate.

 

[skykid]

...except I really do enjoy my job.

Bye Bye--General Lee

That's obvious, and I commend you for it. You've got to remember, Delta only only has one union to deal with - a major advantage when it comes to flexibility. They'll get through Ch11 quicker because of it. GL, I love the route structure match up with NWA and Delta. How do you integrate the fleets?

 

[sandman2122]

From Juvat: "You've been jamming them in the wrong hole, which may be what's really affecting your attitude and sense of well being."

Just like a "lawn dart" pilot to be talking about shoving things up his butt!!

hardy har, har

I couldn't help myself!

 

[skykid]

Just like a "lawn dart" pilot to be talking...

Sandman, I doubt he is a pilot at all. He also says Delta and Northwest are "Losing hundreds of millions of dollars a day (literally!)." Hmmmm, do the math on that one.

This guy is a high school student at best, or has been drunk all afternoon.

Is that avatar your squaw?

 

[General Lee]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclone
you can't pay the mortgage. credit card bills are overdue. last time you made a car payment was in june. electric and phone bills are late. creditors calling. time to file bankruptcy so all the troubles go away.

filed bankruptcy today. tomorrow you go shopping for a brand new M3 convertible? wtfo? i don't think so general. keep sniffing glue though it will help you maintain the positive outlook.

The General's response:

"Maybe you didn't hear about the AirCanada Chap 11 filing. (or whatever is it in Canada) Aftr being days from liquidation, they came out with a huge Boeing order for 20 787s and 35 777s. The reason it later went south was a pilot dispute over seniority on certain planes---CP Air pilots versus old Air Canada. I don't think that would happen here (?), but it shows you that anyone can get new planes after a bankruptcy."

so what you are saying general if i understand you correctly...

no man...you're wrong...one time there was an airline in bankruptcy...and they almost got new airplanes...they didn't get new airplanes...but they had it all lined up and it almost happened...but then it didn't...but it could have and it could happen again...so i think it probably will...and i know that we here at DL are confident...that we will be flying fuel-efficient money making airplanes in the near future...because our executives now know that is the way to go...etc etc etc

did i see a -200 in SLC this morning?

you guys are deep in the korean cabbage general...deep!

Did you see one? Was it a Casino Express bird? It probably was. You don't know what you are looking at, do you? You seem to be very cloudy on what you are saying, and when I bring up a specific example (ok, two examples---AC and US)--you fold like a deck of cards. You can't seem to understand or comprehend that some people out there may have a plan that we don't know about, and maybe this is all in the "plan." You are really out of it. And, thanks for your expert analysis. CNBC is next for you.

Bye Bye--General Lee