rtmcfi
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This is not a violation of seniority.quote]
If it is not a violation of seniority, what is it?
Quit while your behind......
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This is not a violation of seniority.quote]
If it is not a violation of seniority, what is it?
Quit while your behind......
If it is not a violation of seniority, what is it?
Quit while your behind......
How about answering the question. If we are not running classes at the time and only one slot is open do you really expect them to run one special class for one person? Do you expect them to pay for 2 months worth of hotels for a TDY while waiting for a pilot to get done with training? Either way is quite unreasonable. It is NOT a violation of seniority.
The most senior ABLE BODIED person is transfered instead of either wasting money on running one special class or wasting money on TDY expenses for a couple months. You complain about how it is a violation of seniority. What are your solutions? How can a union fix this? It is already in the policy manual which is a very reasonable policy. We will probably be done hiring for a little bit sometime this winter. It is absurd to expect the company to run special classes. Do any airlines actually award classes to one person if they aren't doing any hiring at the time?
rtmcfi said:How about you join the rest of us in the real world.
1. When do you see an airline with 2700 pilots stopping training. Unless something awful happens, attrition alone will keep the training department going.
rtmcfi said:2. In your scenario, the company is going to first crank up the PBS line credit. Next, they will flow other pilots from other domiciles through the base that is short. Ever see someone from DEN or SLC doing turns in and out of ORD? Once that option no longer works, reserves will be doing those trips. Once there is sufficient demand to run a class, it will happen. No one expects, or receives an individual class. I hope you already knew that. I hope you don't really think your fantasy-land scenario is an issue that would come up at OO.
rtmcfi said:3. If a company places a Jr. plot into a slot that a Sr. pilot wants, it IS an abrogation of seniority. The reasoning behind the move is immaterial. I don't know why you have such a difficult time grasping that. I hope the rest of your life does not find you struggling so mightily to grasp such simple concepts.
newman....
yes...you tdy a reserve to that domicile until the most senior person that wants it is trained. that way the domicile still shows an opening and that senior dude can bid into it. if they award it to whoever is trained, then there is no longer an opening to bid into and the senior person may never get to that domicile. is that right? tdy is a cost of doing business.
Attrition also does not last forever. Majors will not always be hiring
so your suggesting you make the entire domicile work more credit than they want while you wait for the person to get through training? Isn't that unfair to the senior guys already there who do not want to work long hours? Again you are suggesting to cause a lot of people to go to the trouble of working extra hours for one person.
There is enough movement at SLC, ORD, and DEN to always run classes for those bases
Guess what growth runs out eventually and classes will stop eventually
Yes I have known all along technically it is a seniority violation
Pretty much anyone involved in a seniority system.but who cares?