im gonna say something thay I will regret... I miss Falcons

[Dumbluck]

try the Citation III, (C-650). Its was designed by laid off Boeing engineers. The control knobs and switches, enviro panels, etc look like they came off a 747 Classic. I don't think the word ergonomics was created when they designed that cockpit. No flow to it at all. But it is one my favorite airplanes, 51,000 certified and .89 Mmo(?) .84 normal cruise. Handles like a dream.

 

[LegacyDriver]

LD -- Let's look back on Embraer's product line. Rather than comparing a 2010 jet to a 1980's jet, let's compare Embraer's 1990's products with Cessna's 1980's.

According to the manufacturers checklist, that airplane has 27 items on the "before takeoff checklist," compared to your 18. On top of that, Embraer's product is 5-10 years newer. I think that we can use your words to describe the Embraer cockpit:


It goes without saying that an EICAS system is going to simplify the cockpit. Looking at the cockpit, I'd say that the Citation cockpit is much easier to find your way around than that Embraer cockpit.

Blah blah blah.

Embraer's 1990s cockpits are way smarter than Cessna's 2000s cockpits. Better systems, easy to find stuff. No comparison.

Fact is that EMB has jumped way ahead of just about everyone.

Besides, the EMB overhead panel is pretty much like Falcon or Boeing with systems grouped in columns. Since everything is in "AUTO" (dark and 12 o'clock) it is pretty hard to get lost "finding your way around."

 

[LegacyDriver]

try the Citation III, (C-650). Its was designed by laid off Boeing engineers. The control knobs and switches, enviro panels, etc look like they came off a 747 Classic. I don't think the word ergonomics was created when they designed that cockpit. No flow to it at all. But it is one my favorite airplanes, 51,000 certified and .89 Mmo(?) .84 normal cruise. Handles like a dream.

Pretty much my point.

Now, the checklist at the TC isn't helping because it is not user friendly, but it has taken me about a week to get my head wrapped around where to find stuff here. The lightbulb finally came on today, but all things being equal, make mine an EMB.

 

[Dumbluck]

the 650 also has a parking brake handle the takes the skin off your left shin. The Emer gear extension handle pokes into your right knee. Not comfy or even usable in a practical sense. It does keep you awake though.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I hear the snatchback on the T/R IDLE DEPLOY will break your finger also. Screw that.

I prefer the EMB. FADEC commands IDLE REVERSE regardless of Thrust Lever Angle when a bucket opens in flight (and with something like three or four locks basically impossible any way).

This is a fun jet but man I think of all the ways it can kill me.

A bucket popped in an ERJ just makes it rumble and yaw a little. They say this thing will flip you inverted. YUCK.

 

[NCherches]

....Don't believe anyone who teaches a simulator and has .6 hours in the aircraft.

 

[NCherches]

...LD - Why not tell us what jet you are flying?!

 

[Quimby]

Cuz you've never flown a Legacy.

This Cessna has 11 switches you have to flip on and off every single leg just for anti-ice. EMB has zero. It is in auto and if it *DOESN'T* work **THEN** you flip a switch.

And don't get me started on this ridiculous autopilot that I have to push three buttons to get it to do one little thing then PRAY it actually captures the altitude.

And this silly warning panel. Sometimes the lights come on and that's bad. Sometimes they come on and that's good. Sometimes you have to flip a lot of switches to find out if it is good or bad.

Bleh.

1980 at its finest.

Heck, gimme back my Falcon!

whaaaaaaa

 

[LegacyDriver]

LOL. Waaaah!!!!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Pretty much my point.

Now, the checklist at the TC isn't helping because it is not user friendly, but it has taken me about a week to get my head wrapped around where to find stuff here. The lightbulb finally came on today, but all things being equal, make mine an EMB.

Hey LD

You're getting pretty worked up for a sim check snatching gear in a goddam Girly Cessna.

Keep hittin the books, I hear those FSI rides are like "drinking from a firehose"...way harder than some silly in-house 121 thing.