Vinny
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This is what our world would now look like had the union lost the election, leaving management with free reign to handle seniority integration:
From Yammer:
Rick Handschuch - September 5, 2014 at 1:56pm
You guys are the loyal ones to this company you didn't ask for this, and it is only fair that every single pilot here upgrades before a single transfer pilot. I truly believe that is the likely scenario. We can worry about things out of our control but it in this case you guys have all the control. No one is petitioning the NMB without the majority of Flex pilots behind them. That's totally up to you, no one else. I can not think of a single scenario where there can be a merge with old seniority numbers unless it's mandated by the NMB. If I'm missing something please post it here.
Rick Handschuch - February 23 at 9:11am
Kenn wanted the pilots that were loyal to him for many years to have a chance at having a good seniority number. In order to do this he needed the union to petition for single system. Since they won't he has begun hiring Flight Options pilots at the bottom of our list. He has told me he has felt sad for them but it is time to move on. It is extremely obvious and no statement is at odds when I said the integration would have been a bad thing for Flex. Kenn wanted integration, I'm glad it didn't happen and hope it won't. If anything is at odds it's my position against my boss.
And here is what one of the transfer FOK pilots who volunteered to "move on" and be stapled to the bottom of the Flex list had to say recently:
david marker - February 25 at 8:12am from iPhone
Nice effort on a document that will most definitely be rejected by company! For a group that is supposed to support and represent the pilots, coming up with a list that would cause a furlough doesn't seam like the best choice.
And later:
We all are "Happy" to be here as you put it but to ask someone to give up all their years of service and seniority is absurd and not what was agreed upon?
So he volunteered to be stapled to the bottom of the list and now it some how not fair? I wonder what the transfer pilots, who volunteered to go over to Flex, "agreed upon"? What outcome had they been expecting had the union lost the election?
It looks like I'm not the only one that is asking these questions. When asked by another pilot on Yammer, "it was explained to Flexjet pilots that transfer pilots were to enter at the bottom of our seniority list. I would find it interesting if it was explained to you differently. Are you able to elaborate on that at all?", David responded:
It's being rejected so I wouldn't worry about it until such time that a proper list is created that is fair and equitable!
Finally Handschuch weighs in:
I couldn't have said it better. This was supposed to be fair and equitable yet it is evident the committee and union had the intent of putting the screws to the transfer pilots and nothing more.
I'm wondering how the union put the screws to anyone? Based on Handschuch's own statements from 2014 the transfer pilots who, "were loyal to him [Kenn] for many years" were hired "at the bottom" of the Flexjet list. Now the union has given them the option to return to Flight Options and regain their seniority numbers. Again, it makes one wonder what was secretly "agreed upon"? Were the turncoats promised that they would ultimately be placed below the Flexjet pilots, but above all the other Flight Options pilots on a list management created?
One thing is for sure, if we had allowed the collection of snakes and liars who run this company to integrate the seniority list, the majority of us who are not FOKs would be much worse off than we are today.
At the end of the day the list will stand as written, in spite of management's best efforts to calm the fears of their fair haired sheeple fence jumping turncoat children, it's over folks and the Kenn's sheeple have a big decision to make:
From the Flight Options pilots 2010 Collective Bargaining Agreement:
1.5(b)(1) The integration of the Seniority Lists of the respective Pilot groups shall be governed by Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions (?LPPs?). The parties shall promptly initiate the Seniority integration procedures of Sections 3 and 13 following announcement of an operational merger affecting the Seniority rights of the Pilot groups. The Company or other Successor, as appropriate, shall accept the integrated Seniority List. There shall be no system flush or removal of Pilots from their positions as a result of Seniority List integration.
From Yammer:
Rick Handschuch - September 5, 2014 at 1:56pm
You guys are the loyal ones to this company you didn't ask for this, and it is only fair that every single pilot here upgrades before a single transfer pilot. I truly believe that is the likely scenario. We can worry about things out of our control but it in this case you guys have all the control. No one is petitioning the NMB without the majority of Flex pilots behind them. That's totally up to you, no one else. I can not think of a single scenario where there can be a merge with old seniority numbers unless it's mandated by the NMB. If I'm missing something please post it here.
Rick Handschuch - February 23 at 9:11am
Kenn wanted the pilots that were loyal to him for many years to have a chance at having a good seniority number. In order to do this he needed the union to petition for single system. Since they won't he has begun hiring Flight Options pilots at the bottom of our list. He has told me he has felt sad for them but it is time to move on. It is extremely obvious and no statement is at odds when I said the integration would have been a bad thing for Flex. Kenn wanted integration, I'm glad it didn't happen and hope it won't. If anything is at odds it's my position against my boss.
And here is what one of the transfer FOK pilots who volunteered to "move on" and be stapled to the bottom of the Flex list had to say recently:
david marker - February 25 at 8:12am from iPhone
Nice effort on a document that will most definitely be rejected by company! For a group that is supposed to support and represent the pilots, coming up with a list that would cause a furlough doesn't seam like the best choice.
And later:
We all are "Happy" to be here as you put it but to ask someone to give up all their years of service and seniority is absurd and not what was agreed upon?
So he volunteered to be stapled to the bottom of the list and now it some how not fair? I wonder what the transfer pilots, who volunteered to go over to Flex, "agreed upon"? What outcome had they been expecting had the union lost the election?
It looks like I'm not the only one that is asking these questions. When asked by another pilot on Yammer, "it was explained to Flexjet pilots that transfer pilots were to enter at the bottom of our seniority list. I would find it interesting if it was explained to you differently. Are you able to elaborate on that at all?", David responded:
It's being rejected so I wouldn't worry about it until such time that a proper list is created that is fair and equitable!
Finally Handschuch weighs in:
I couldn't have said it better. This was supposed to be fair and equitable yet it is evident the committee and union had the intent of putting the screws to the transfer pilots and nothing more.
I'm wondering how the union put the screws to anyone? Based on Handschuch's own statements from 2014 the transfer pilots who, "were loyal to him [Kenn] for many years" were hired "at the bottom" of the Flexjet list. Now the union has given them the option to return to Flight Options and regain their seniority numbers. Again, it makes one wonder what was secretly "agreed upon"? Were the turncoats promised that they would ultimately be placed below the Flexjet pilots, but above all the other Flight Options pilots on a list management created?
One thing is for sure, if we had allowed the collection of snakes and liars who run this company to integrate the seniority list, the majority of us who are not FOKs would be much worse off than we are today.
At the end of the day the list will stand as written, in spite of management's best efforts to calm the fears of their fair haired sheeple fence jumping turncoat children, it's over folks and the Kenn's sheeple have a big decision to make:
From the Flight Options pilots 2010 Collective Bargaining Agreement:
1.5(b)(1) The integration of the Seniority Lists of the respective Pilot groups shall be governed by Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions (?LPPs?). The parties shall promptly initiate the Seniority integration procedures of Sections 3 and 13 following announcement of an operational merger affecting the Seniority rights of the Pilot groups. The Company or other Successor, as appropriate, shall accept the integrated Seniority List. There shall be no system flush or removal of Pilots from their positions as a result of Seniority List integration.
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