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United emerges from bankruptcy

Nation's No. 2 airline ends restructuring process that began in 2002
By Dave Carpenter




AP Business Writer



Originally published February 1, 2006, 4:31 PM EST



CHICAGO // United Airlines finally left bankruptcy today, a leaner and more cost-efficient carrier after a painful restructuring that began in 2002 and lasted an industry record 1,150 days.

The nation's No. 2 airline announced it had filed its exit documents in U.S. Bankruptcy Court this afternoon, officially ending the longest and costliest bankruptcy of any airline.




United marked the event in low-key fashion, sending top executives to airports around the country to thank United employees and customers for their patience.

"We have achieved a great deal in our restructuring to reposition this company and build upon our assets, an unrivaled global network and our dedicated employees," said Glenn Tilton, CEO of United and parent UAL Corp., in a statement accompanying the announcement.

But, in an apparent nod to the fact United still hasn't posted a profit since 2000, he added: "We can be better."

Pete McDonald, chief operating officer of United and parent UAL Corp., shook hands and talked with upbeat employees at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport before boarding a flight to do the same thing in San Francisco.

"It's a new beginning," McDonald said. "We're very thankful to our employees for their contributions and their focus on our customers, and we're very thankful to our customers for sticking with us through this difficult time," he said.

Passengers likely did not notice an immediate difference, since United never stopped flying even when multibillion-dollar losses forced it to seek protection from its creditors in federal bankruptcy court. But the Elk Grove Village, Ill.-based airline has made one change after another since early in its three-year overhaul.

It now has about 30 percent fewer employees (58,000), 20 percent fewer airplanes (460) and 20 percent lower operating costs (7.5 cents per seat per mile), excluding fuel, than it did when the bankruptcy began on Dec. 9, 2002. Labor costs are down by more than $3 billion annually after two steep pay cuts and the elimination of defined-benefit pensions. Dozens of daily domestic flights have been eliminated.

Some things are up, too, including the number of international routes, on-time arrivals, the percentage of seats filled and the cost of on-board meals, no longer free to all.

United also has added or expanded products targeting both ends of the price spectrum. It has its two-year-old discount airline Ted for leisure travelers, an enlarged Economy Plus program with more leg room for those willing to pay for it, and a premium service called "p.s." between New York and California that offers DVD players and specialty drinks.

The multipurpose approach bucks the prevailing industry trend toward cheaper as better at a time fares remain near levels from the early 1990s. But John Tague, United's executive vice president for marketing, sales and revenue, said both Ted and p.s. are showing double-digit margin improvements -- payoffs from a strategy that relies in large part on United's unrivaled network of routes.

"Customers are beginning to appreciate that United is different," Tague said. "We're not all things to all people. When you have the global route structure, you don't pick one market and one product structure."

United's target customer, he said, is "clearly the business customer, but not just one with a briefcase in hand but when they're going to the beach as well."

Leading banks have given a vote of confidence to United's prospects after bankruptcy, with JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Citigroup Inc. leading a $3 billion financing package.

So have investors, who have lined up in large numbers to try to get in on the company's new stock, which begins trading Thursday on the Nasdaq Stock Market.

The big cloud on the horizon for United and other carriers remains near-record fuel prices, which are likely to extend its 5 1/2-year money-losing streak by at least another year.

Tilton said, however, that until the airline industry "sorts itself out," an immediate return to profitability should not be the primary gauge of whether United succeeded in Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

"We've put ourselves in a position to be able to compete with the effect of high oil prices in 2006," he said in an interview Tuesday with the Associated Press at United's headquarters. "The way we want to be measured is how we perform relative to peers. I'm confident that the work that we've done will put us in a position to have a competitive result whatever the market environment may be."

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http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-united0201,1,3069734.story?coll=bal-business-headlines
 
Hi!

I don't think it'll last, what with the mgmt genious's at UAL planning on $50/barrel oil prices for the next 5 years!

Now, if they would've gone conservative, and designed a business plan around $85/barrel oil for the next 5 years that would probably have worked, barring a major catastrophe that affects oil.

Cliff
GRB
 
atpcliff said:
Hi!

I don't think it'll last, what with the mgmt genious's at UAL planning on $50/barrel oil prices for the next 5 years!

Now, if they would've gone conservative, and designed a business plan around $85/barrel oil for the next 5 years that would probably have worked, barring a major catastrophe that affects oil.

Cliff
GRB

Newsflash Cliff. There isn't a business plan in the industry that can handle $85 oil. How much more do you think airline employees should give up to design such a plan? Eventually, ticket prices have to go up to cover it. Maybe you are willing to fly 150 passenger airplanes for 30K a year to further subsidize fuel on behalf of the traveling public, but the rest of us aren't.
 
Hi!

If there are NO business plans that cover approx. $85/barrel of oil over the next 5 years, then ALL the airline management should be replaced. The CEOs of these companies need to plan for the likely worst-case scenario, and then the company will do OK no matter what happens.

If you plan on something like $60 or even $65/barrel, and then the prices go up significantly for a long period of time, then you go under or are in bankruptcy again. There is NO excuse for poor planning of this magnitude.

Airline Execs should be closely monitoring the global oil situation, as it is VERY, VERY important to the health of the organizations they're leading. They should know what the situation is, and plan for the worst case.

Even planning for $60/barrel for the next 5 years is shear fantasyland.

If you plan for $85/barrel, and it turns out to be $60 over five years, then your airline will do great and you can share the extra profits with your employees and your stockholders, as well as save up cash for unexpected catasrophes.

If you do like UAL does, you're screwed unless you bail early with your ill-gotten bonuses.

Cliff
GRB
 
atpcliff said:
Hi!

If there are NO business plans that cover approx. $85/barrel of oil over the next 5 years, then ALL the airline management should be replaced. The CEOs of these companies need to plan for the likely worst-case scenario, and then the company will do OK no matter what happens.

If you plan on something like $60 or even $65/barrel, and then the prices go up significantly for a long period of time, then you go under or are in bankruptcy again. There is NO excuse for poor planning of this magnitude.

Airline Execs should be closely monitoring the global oil situation, as it is VERY, VERY important to the health of the organizations they're leading. They should know what the situation is, and plan for the worst case.

Even planning for $60/barrel for the next 5 years is shear fantasyland.

If you plan for $85/barrel, and it turns out to be $60 over five years, then your airline will do great and you can share the extra profits with your employees and your stockholders, as well as save up cash for unexpected catasrophes.

If you do like UAL does, you're screwed unless you bail early with your ill-gotten bonuses.

Cliff
GRB

You really don't get it do you. Given today's revenue levels, it is impossible to make money at $85 a barrel. Prolonged oil at that level will force changes to the current pricing environment one way or another. It will mean price increases. For that to happen, liquidations or mergers resulting in further capacity decrease would be likely as well. Even Frank Lorenzo in a TV interview last year admitted that labor has done all it can do for the industry. Drawing up a plan for $85 oil is impossible without the pricing structure that would be required for oil at that level.
 
Cliff, I don't think you understand what Mugs is saying - the only business plan with oil that high is to burn through your cash reserves while others liquidate, or liquidate yourself. If United would have planned for oil at $85, they would have had to liquidate. Replace everyone's mgt? Still have the same problem. Even whats-his-name from Jetblue bragged about making money with oil skyhigh, and couldn't do it.
 
Hi!

I hope they have a backup plan in case oil goes higher and/or stays where it is for a while.

The last analyst reports I read said that gasoline would be about $3/gal. by Memorial Day, and that oil would be up to $96/barrel when hurricane season starts this year. This year is supposed to be worse than last for hurricanes.

Cliff
GRB
 
Mugs said:
You really don't get it do you. Given today's revenue levels, it is impossible to make money at $85 a barrel. Prolonged oil at that level will force changes to the current pricing environment one way or another. It will mean price increases. For that to happen, liquidations or mergers resulting in further capacity decrease would be likely as well. Even Frank Lorenzo in a TV interview last year admitted that labor has done all it can do for the industry. Drawing up a plan for $85 oil is impossible without the pricing structure that would be required for oil at that level.
Apparently it's been impossible for some companies to make money with oil a lot less than $85. a barrel.
 
WhiteCloud said:
Apparently it's been impossible for some companies to make money with oil a lot less than $85. a barrel.


Heck, Why don't those MBA "jenious'" just write a buisness plan for $20 barrels of oil for the net 5 year. Their buisness plan would look GREAT on paper. All the majors would be projected to be in the black. Of course $50/barrel of oil is JUST as likely as $20/barrel.

I would be More conservative and say $90-100/barrel.
 
Mugs said:
Even Frank Lorenzo in a TV interview last year admitted that labor has done all it can do for the industry.


Holy crap. I think I just heard there's a major winter stormwatch in hell.
 

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