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[BILL LUMBERG]

All the "major" airline pilots have no one to blame but themselves for VAs intro rates- AND their own wage issues. What a dumb idea to allow outsourcing of jets...

Really Wave?

Does this stem from your building time as a DCI pilot? and then you paid some cash and became a Southwest Pilot? I mean, that's capitalism!!!

Seriously listen to yourself......bottom feeder wages are the MAJORs? fault? It's guys like you with SJS who think that you EARNED those RJ's you built time on.......

 

[waveflyer]

Yes bill, really.

First I never advocated for RJs- i was turboprop guy and my first rj was well after 9/11 after a furlough- I always argued that pay at regionals could double and we would not
get back the career earnings lost when major airline pilots sold out scope. and I stayed off RJs for as long as I could- which definitely put me at a competitive disadvantage- PIC glass/FMS/jet time was something many carriers were looking for.

Tell me where any rj pilot ever had any say in how much any jet was outsourced?
Tell me where any rj driver, whether furloughed or coming up, ever had a vote?

Delta's little b/tch group released scope as late as 2006 to allow 90 seaters-

You need to get furloughed into an rj job Bill- you really do- it would be an eye opening experience- if that's not going to happen- then talk to some of the many furloughed delta pilots that flee at regionals as a stopgap-

80% of all regional pilots just want to build up X amount of time to MOVE ON- all outsourcing did was make that X a bigger number- increasing the average time one spends at a disenfranchised regional making no money with no security

And after all that- you have the balls to critique VA's pay- you're directly responsible for it

 

[johnsonrod]

Yes bill, really.

First I never advocated for RJs- i was turboprop guy and my first rj was well after 9/11 after a furlough- I always argued that pay at regionals could double and we would not
get back the career earnings lost when major airline pilots sold out scope. and I stayed off RJs for as long as I could- which definitely put me at a competitive disadvantage- PIC glass/FMS/jet time was something many carriers were looking for.

Tell me where any rj pilot ever had any say in how much any jet was outsourced?
Tell me where any rj driver, whether furloughed or coming up, ever had a vote?

Delta's little b/tch group released scope as late as 2006 to allow 90 seaters-

You need to get furloughed into an rj job Bill- you really do- it would be an eye opening experience- if that's not going to happen- then talk to some of the many furloughed delta pilots that flee at regionals as a stopgap-

80% of all regional pilots just want to build up X amount of time to MOVE ON- all outsourcing did was make that X a bigger number- increasing the average time one spends at a disenfranchised regional making no money with no security

And after all that- you have the balls to critique VA's pay- you're directly responsible for it

I thought these were management decisions? Are you saying that pilots should also have a say in what the carpet color should be at HQ? Are we pilots or managers? Should we all get MBAs in addition to our ATPs? It is hilarious that we assume we should be included in so many management decisions.

It case you didn't notice, the regional business has been decimated in recent years because higher costs/lower yields make regional flying on competitive routes seriously uneconomical. Where did all of those Comair CRJs go? But hey, the management teams should STILL pay us so much more on these uneconomical routes because we deserve it... Wake up and smell the economic coffee. You can't squeeze more pay out of a 50-seat jet when both fuel costs and competition are rising.

Sure, as an RJ pilot I want more money in my pocket, but I am realistic and trying to move on to the majors at some point - the regional game is a losing game with regard to pay and benefits.... Get a grip and lose the socialist/marxist philosophy.

 

[LoveGun]

Bill,

Maybe if we all followed your lead wages would go up and no one would be furloughed. The problem is I don't trust you. You hate guys like me. I was an RJ driver -- hired at age 24 in 1999, upgraded in two and a half years. Why shouldn't I have taken my RJ job? It was a union carrier. We had a union contract, and operated under the scope provisions of another union carrier. Should I have flown canceled checks for nine years instead?

You are asking for a lot of self sacrifice from your fellow pilots and deliver the message in poor fashion. From the tone of your posts I get the impression that you are looking out for yourself more than pilots as a whole.

 

[tzskipper]

Bill,

Maybe if we all followed your lead wages would go up and no one would be furloughed. The problem is I don't trust you. You hate guys like me. I was an RJ driver -- hired at age 24 in 1999, upgraded in two and a half years. Why shouldn't I have taken my RJ job? It was a union carrier. We had a union contract, and operated under the scope provisions of another union carrier. Should I have flown canceled checks for nine years instead?

You are asking for a lot of self sacrifice from your fellow pilots and deliver the message in poor fashion. From the tone of your posts I get the impression that you are looking out for yourself more than pilots as a whole.

Instead of pissing and moaning, maybe he ought to spend his time educating the pilot group on the benefits of organizing.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Yes bill, really.

First I never advocated for RJs- i was turboprop guy and my first rj was well after 9/11 after a furlough- I always argued that pay at regionals could double and we would not
get back the career earnings lost when major airline pilots sold out scope. and I stayed off RJs for as long as I could- which definitely put me at a competitive disadvantage- PIC glass/FMS/jet time was something many carriers were looking for.

Tell me where any rj pilot ever had any say in how much any jet was outsourced?
Tell me where any rj driver, whether furloughed or coming up, ever had a vote?

Delta's little b/tch group released scope as late as 2006 to allow 90 seaters-

You need to get furloughed into an rj job Bill- you really do- it would be an eye opening experience- if that's not going to happen- then talk to some of the many furloughed delta pilots that flee at regionals as a stopgap-

80% of all regional pilots just want to build up X amount of time to MOVE ON- all outsourcing did was make that X a bigger number- increasing the average time one spends at a disenfranchised regional making no money with no security

And after all that- you have the balls to critique VA's pay- you're directly responsible for it

Did we realy release scope to 90 seaters?? WOW! When did that happen. Wave, sit down and read what Delta's scope clause really is.....76 seats. PERIOD!!

All this from a guy who made it into the shallow end of the pool becuase he shelled out THOUSANDS to get a type rating so he could get on with the beloved SWA. Would you still be slogging around the DCI system if you didn't have a rich Mommy and Daddy? Maybe......but that wasn't a Delta Pilot's fault.....Should we have stapled all RJ's or would that be too condescending Wave to you and your fellow brethren??

You get on here and preach about capitalism when paying dues doesn't seem to be in your vocabulary....paying SIMCOM was your answer. Good job....YGTBSM!!! Before your time Junior, there was a group of toolbags called the RJDC and they carried your water......as much as you hate to admit it, you wanted my seat, you'd work for peanuts to get it, and now you are stuck in a 737 right seat for YEARS after this merger......

It's not a VA Pilot's fault when they are furloughed and end up there, that's a shame....it shouldn't have to be that way, but getting on here like Ralph bragging about how great things are ......(COMPARED to WHAT?? The Street? A Commuter?) drags everybody down.....

Rant over......Hey Wave, wear a flag tie so I know who to bitchslap next time I'm in the terminal!!:uzi:

 

[johnsonrod]

Instead of pissing and moaning, maybe he ought to spend his time educating the pilot group on the benefits of organizing.

Don't get me wrong, I support the use of unions and protecting our wages. It just surprises me sometimes how much control our pilot group expects to have on management decisions. Don't expect regional pilots to make zillions of dollars flying 50-seat jets - NO WAY. The economics don't support it as you can't spread costs effectively across 50 seats when fuel prices go up (and they have recently) and competition increases. That's my point.

 

[tzskipper]

Don't get me wrong, I support the use of unions and protecting our wages. It just surprises me sometimes how much control our pilot group expects to have on management decisions. Don't expect regional pilots to make zillions of dollars flying 50-seat jets - NO WAY. The economics don't support it as you can't spread costs effectively across 50 seats when fuel prices go up (and they have recently) and competition increases. That's my point.

Hi Jrod,

I was not directing that at your group... Sorry.

My point was simply that for all of the pissing and moaning going on about VA's wages and such, that there has been almost zero effort by these same "advocates" to offer and help organize the pilot group in an effort to improve things. Some people must really dislike their lot in life, if all they have better to do is whine about others.

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[waveflyer]

Bill-
Did you just make up a resume you think I have and then provide a ranting critique? I'd respond in more detail- but you clearly have me confused with someone else-
Me and my family are first generation wealth- our family business took off right before I was placed in the pool at Wn - I keep those details pretty well close to the chest- and I'm not going to out myself on FI giving my unique aviation resume out to every idiot with half my accomplishments who wants to critique me.
There is more credibility to my assertions about delta than you can know-
And yes I don't distinguish between 76 and 90- I'd be about as pissed if you allowed more 50's- it's still more delta passengers being flown around by pilots not on DALPAs list
They are CRJ 900's
Would you be ok for skywest to fly Airbus's configured to 76 seats?

Nevermind those 76 seaters are more valuable than a 90 seater bc of the extra pitch and
business class seats
And btw- there were a handful of 84 seaters flying around for a while-

And bring it- you wouldn't even attempt a b/tch slap in real life- so go ahead and beat your soft chest on am anonymous blog- it's really dumb though

 

[zuludawn68]

Ok!!!

So!!! how is the weather?