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Delta to ask pilots for $1B cut

By Marilyn Adams, USA TODAY
Financially ailing Delta Air Lines will ask its pilots for more than $1 billion a year in concessions when labor negotiations resume in the next few weeks.
A reduction that size would reduce Delta's pilot labor costs by almost half.

The new demand, provided by a source briefed on management's position, is up sharply from the more than $800 million sought earlier this year. It's roughly the same savings the larger United Airlines got from its pilots union.

Union spokeswoman Karen Miller said pilots will make their own proposal next week.

Since January, when talks with the pilots broke down, fuel prices have soared and fare competition has intensified, CEO Jerry Grinstein told employees last week. He said he will present a strategic plan to the board next month.

Both Delta and its pilots union say the upcoming talks are driven by Delta's financial problems alone.

But industry experts suspect both sides are also watching what's happening at No. 2 United, where more wage cuts seem unavoidable.

Airline consultant Doug McKeen says Delta pilots, the industry's best paid, may decide they're better off using United's current pay rates as their benchmark.

If they delay, they could be pressured by an even lower pay scale for United pilots. Likewise, pilots at Northwest Airlines may feel similar pressure in the face of management concession demands, McKeen says.

A senior Boeing 777 captain at Delta earns $320 for an hour of flying. A senior 777 captain at United, who used to make almost that, now earns $203 an hour.

United won $1.1 billion a year in concessions from its pilots union last year. But United is under pressure to make more cuts so it can attract private financing to exit bankruptcy court, now that it has been denied a federal loan guarantee.

The seemingly inevitable changes at United are "a wake-up call to other unions and employers," says McKeen of Eclat Consulting in Arlington, Va.

Delta, the USA's No. 3 carrier, recently warned it could land in bankruptcy court if it can't get major concessions from its pilots, the only large labor group unionized at Delta.

The airline also wants to cut other expenses $2.5 billion a year by 2006. It has lost $3.6 billion since the end of 2000. Fuel will cost Delta $680 million more this year than last, Grinstein says.

Based on Delta's worsening condition, spokeswoman Miller said, union leaders decided June 16 to resume talks with the airline.

Union Chairman John Malone said last month that the union will expect equity or a board seat in exchange for concessions.
 
For some reason all I can see is Dr. Evil, Number 2, & Frau Farbissna (sp?) saying "One BILLION dollars....muaaahahahahah!"This should be interesting....
 
Classic.

Last summer, DAL and DALPA start concession talks. Some per centage numbers get thrown around. Later, DAL announces a need for 800M. Not negotiable. DALPA agrees to re-enter negotiations. Now DAL wants 1B.

Classic.
 
'The seemingly inevitable changes at United are "a wake-up call to other unions and employers," says McKeen of Eclat Consulting in Arlington, Va.'



Isn't Randy Babbit (ex-ALPA President) the CEO of this consulting company? It seems that this quote indicates their tacit approval of the race to the bottom. Maybe I'm just being sensitive to his former position and the way he now earns his living. I know we live under a new reality now, but it still bothers me to see him seemingly working the other side of the table at times.


J. Randolph Babbitt

Chairman & Chief Executive Officer Eclat Consulting
Internationally recognized as a leader in the field of aviation and labor relations, Randy has over 35 years of experience in the aviation field. As head of the world’s largest union of commercial airline pilots, Randy helped direct and achieve important improvements in aviation safety and influence policy in other critical areas of the industry and its operation. Today, as Chairman & CEO of Eclat Consulting, he leads a highly qualified and experienced team in serving a global client base through the firm’s broad spectrum of consulting services.
Representative Projects
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Randy headed a team to analyze the current economic environment in the airline industry and devise contingency strategies for Alaska Airlines and its unions based on this analysis.

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Serves as an Advisor to Phoenix (PHX) Sky Harbor airport on Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and Transportation Security Administration (TSA) operational issues and addressed its issues with the FAA in Washington, D.C. As such, successfully led team to defend Phoenix Sky Harbor airport against unwanted and unsafe construction of proposed NFL stadium in close proximity to airport, including the successful defense of the airport’s position throughout the FAA process. This was unprecedented: there are no known cases where construction of this magnitude was halted and condemned as a direct result of a study.

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Analyzed then current market environment for Hawaiian Airlines and its unions, facilitated negotiations for changes to labor agreements and compensation restructuring. Continues to act in the Advisor capacity during Hawaiian Airlines 2003 bankruptcy proceedings.
· Led Eclat Consulting to support the Transport Workers Union at American Airlines, providing independent financial analyses and negotiation support during the 2003 labor agreement restructurings.

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Serves as Economic and Labor Relations Advisor to the Independent Pilots Association(IPA), the pilots of UPS.

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Serves as Aviation Consultant to Airbus North America on FAA and industry relations.

Supporting Experience
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As President of a consulting firm, Randy provided specialized aviation and labor consulting services to clients including Airbus Industries of North America, AirTran Airlines, Aerolineas Argentinas and Sabena. As a result of his efforts, Randy was recognized by Aviation Week & Space Technology as the recipient of the 1998 Laurels Award for outstanding achievement in the field of Commercial Air Transport. He was also nominated by then President Clinton and confirmed by the U.S. Senate to be one of ten members of the FAA’s Management Advisory Council. He continues to act in this Advisory capacity.

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Randy served as President and Chief Executive Officer for ALPA, the world’s largest labor union and professional organization of airline pilots. Affiliated with the AFL-CIO, ALPA holds collective bargaining rights for 46,000 air transport pilots at 45 airlines in the U.S. and Canada. ALPA is also widely recognized as the industry’s leading air safety advocate.

In this capacity, Randy accomplished the following:
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Championed initiative known as “One Level of Safety,” bringing safety standards for Part 135 air carriers up to those of Part 121. During this process, Randy developed goals designed to effect change in administration policy and delivered numerous position papers and expert testimony on the subject. As a result of Randy’s efforts, this program came to fruition in December 1995 under then Secretary of Transportation Federico Pena.

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Participated directly with government officials and pilot representatives in the formation of the first free trade union for Soviet pilots (the Association of Russian Pilots and Crew members) in post-Communist Russia in 1991.

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Recognizing the need to promote the common interests of pilots worldwide, Randy encouraged dialogue with Canadian pilots which ultimately led to a Joint Services Agreement with ALPA in 1995 and culminated in the full merger of the Canadian Air Line Pilots Association into ALPA in February 1997.

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Randy developed strategies to address the impact of globalization within the

airline industry on the pilot workforce, introducing the Global Pilot Strategy to ALPA’s Board of Directors in 1994.
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Through the Council on Aviation Accreditation, interfaced directly with several universities to assist in coordinating and developing curriculum to improve training for future airline pilots.

Employment
2001 – Present Eclat Consulting, Inc. – Chairman & CEO
1999 - 2001 Babbitt & Associates Aviation Consulting – President
1991 - 1998 Air Line Pilots Association, International – President
1994 - 1998 AFL-CIO -- Vice President
1993 Presidential Appointment to the National Commission to Ensure a Strong Competitive Airline Industry (one of 15 voting members)
1985 – 1991 ALPA – Executive Administrator
1981 - 1985 ALPA National Collective Bargaining Committee – Chairman
1966 - 1991 Eastern Airlines – Pilot
Education
Randy attended the University of Georgia from 1964-1965 and the University of Miami from 1965-1967.


 
love the timing. The Delta pilots are meeting with the company this week to make a new offer that is substantially more than the last one. This article was timed to make the pilots latest offer look bad.
 
Tell them to STUFF IT and take it to Chapter 11... Watch the other labor groups get defensive and try to pressure the pilots... I want to know what bonuses management is slated to get IF they do in fact get $1 billion from the pilots? Big Leo-sized bonuses I am sure.............. Watch out - our industry wages are sinking into the abyss... Pretty soon Mesa will have the highest wages.
 
What an idea!

On your six, do you really think that they should let a BK judge decide their fate. They stand to loose a hell of a lot more with your idea. At least now they have some sort of leeway. Not much, but some. I do believe that if the BK judge brings them down to below industry average, then all of the employees should take a cut (to include the WO's). It's only fair. Good luck to you guys (DALPA).
 
Until other employee groups share in the cuts why should DAL pilots be the only ones to take a cut? Even if rampers and mechanics took a symbolic 3-5% cut I think they'd have a much easier time persuading the pilots to take a 40% hit. They may actually be bettter off with "full pay to the last day." If it takes a bankruptcy judge a few months to come up with a new pay plan and the DAL guys are making their full scale that much longer they could come out ahead. I doubt that the BK court will come up with anything all that much worse than what is being proposed.
 
embdrvr said:
I doubt that the BK court will come up with anything all that much worse than what is being proposed.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. As long as DL stays out of BK, the no furlough clause still stands as do the scope clauses. Once in BK, DL could move to have the judge void these. The DL pilots are going to take a big pay cut regardless of whether DL files for BK. However if DL stays out of BK, the pilots have a better chance of protecting themselves and keeping future planes (100 seaters) flown by DL mainline.

There was always a danger in DALPA's strategy. Had they seriously negotiated last year with Leo (who wasn't particularly strong at negotiating), they probably could have gotten by with 20-25% pay cuts plus some work rule changes. Now, they face a far tougher CEO who wants 40% pay cuts plus work rule changes.

I expect the non-contract employees will face additional cuts as well. Grinstein has already warned them that more is coming.
 
$203 per hour

Lets see $203 per hour for a 777 Capt, that is only $33 more per hour that a USA Jet Airlines DC-9 Capt. What will an MD-80 Capt make?
 

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