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How are you getting a JAA ATP, or do you already have it.... that is quite a proccess....
You don't need a JAA ATP to fly here as a contract capt. All you have to do is get an IAA medical, have a current FAA medical and ATP and the company will do the rest. We are short on typed capts and there are provision for FAA licensed pilots to work in EU. If you want to work here permanently it really is not that hard to conver to a JAA ATP, just 14 written tests and some paperwork, I may do it in the future.
 

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Cathay Pacific is hiring with no experience on type. In fact you can go the the right seat of a 744 with no airline experience at all. You just need some good turbine PIC time.

Starting pay is about 5K a month to start, plus 15% of base pay for retirement in cash, plus about 900 bucks a month in cash perdiem.

6 weeks of vactaion a year, plus some profit sharing makes for a good career.

Negitives - a little anti-Americanism from the Brits and Aussies (They don't like our politics and think our road to an ATP is a farce.), and a somewhat difficult check and training system.
 

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all hiring on and off with little or no previous type experience.
Fareview, many on your list require you to be current and qualified, your statement is misleading IMO, for example:

Current ICAO Licence
- Current Class 1 Medical
- Current on A320
- 2500 hours total time
- 500 hours on A320
- 1500 hours on jet
- age 57 or under on 31st May 2007.
- last actual (NOT simulated) flight within last 6 months
 

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Fareview, many on your list require you to be current and qualified, your statement is misleading IMO, for example:
With respect,

The following are hiring with NO experience on type;

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Etihad
Emirates
China Airlines
Eva Air
Cathay
JALways

and my original post said 'no or little'. The others if you have a little i.e. under 500 hrs - you will get a shot.

Not quite sure where the 'misleading' is.

Respectfully,

fareview
 

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The others if you have a little i.e. under 500 hrs - you will get a shot.
The requirements I posted are from Vietnam Airlines, no shot I'm afraid, you either have the 500 hours and are current, or you don't get an interview. When I saw your blanket statement I felt it was misleading, I can only speak for Vietnam Airlines.

Respectfully SAO
 
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Negitives - a little anti-Americanism from the Brits and Aussies (They don't like our politics and think our road to an ATP is a farce.), and a somewhat difficult check and training system.
That is a SERIOUS problem as most Americans I know who've been over there stated. Either they hate the place after the interview, or after a few months on line. One guy told me "Every flight is like a checkride". It's sad since there are probably FAR more Britons working in the US than any Americans working for them.. Very unprofessional if you ask me.
 

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"Every flight is like a checkride".
Not even close to the truth. Just to add... The freighter flying is so laid back it's not even funny. Some guys ar known to delay the push back so they can finish their meals etc.. On the pax side it's a little differnt due to the OTP considerations. But I gurantee you it is not diffrent from any US airline.
 
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Not even close to the truth.
I would like that to be the truth, trust me as I'd love to put in an app, but I've heard it first hand from quite a few. Sad, since their pay is good, and their QOL seems also to be quite nice.

BTW... here is a good opportunity if you've got enough heavy crew time:


Department: Flight Operations
Location: Abu Dhabi
Expiry Date: 31/12/2007

Description:

Join the worlds fastest growing Airline, Etihad Airways the national airline of the United Arab Emirates, based in the UAE capital, Abu Dhabi.

Etihad Airways sets out to be creative and innovative airline designed to meet the demands of a rapidly changing world. Our whole philosophy is built around the needs of our guest. We strive to provide a level of service, which will consistently meet and exceed our guest’s expectations.

Etihad Airways currently operates 23 aircraft including the latest generation of Airbus A330-200s, A340- 500s and B777-300s. Etihad will take further delivery of
A340-500, A340-600s, A330-200 in 2007 and the revolutionary A380 super jumbo in which is expected to join the fleet in 2009. Etihad Airways flies to North America, Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia and the Far East.


Qualifications:

A minimum of 2500 hours total flying time and
A minimum of 1000 hours on multi crew jet aircraft in excess of 60000 kgs and
ICAO ATPL,valid licence and medical
Must be current
Maximum age limit is 56 years old and
English Language Fluency ( written and verbal )
Preference would be given to candidates with Boeing 777 experience
The hours mentioned above shall be on powered fix wing aircraft only


Salary & Benefits:

Starting salary of AED 24500 or USD 6655 per month for First officers and an annual salary increment of AED 500 per month.

Flight duty allowance of AED 40 per flying hour.

Meal allowance during layovers as per the following rates:

-Middle East/ GCC/ Sub Continent AED 12 per hour

-Asia/ Far East AED 15 per hour

-Africa/ Australasia AED 18 per hour

-Europe/ Americas AED 23 per hour



Benefits:

Housing allowance up to AED 115000

(Or)

Company provided housing depending on availability

(Or)

The oppertunity to take advantage of our innovative "Rent to buy" house purchase programme.

Education allowance of AED 25000 for primary and AED 35000 for secondary up to 4 children from the ages of 4 up to 19 years old.

42 Days annual leave.
Staff travel benefits.
End of service benefits.
Accidental and life insurance benefits.

The above is subject to change without prior notice
 

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I would like that to be the truth, trust me as I'd love to put in an app, but I've heard it first hand from quite a few.
So basically you are calling me a liar?

BTW I have been here just over 10 years and over the time I have heard quite a few stories about what is/was going on over at CX. Some of them true but most of them just plain bull... And your claim about "Every flight is like a checkride" I have never heard before.

If you need some honest insight feel free to PM me.
 

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So basically you are calling me a liar?
I could say the same thing about you, no? I've had close friends tell me of their experiences. Some during the interview, some during check rides and line flying. It's not like my comments are in a vacuum. This thread alone has another member stating more or less the same thing, and if you do a search for Cathy you'll see the same thing over and over.. Coincidence?

feel free to PM me or post actual proof of the contrary.. like I said, I've always wanted to apply, but the stories made me hold back.
 

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I only have one question. That link you posted, did he actually work for CX or all he did was interviewing?
 

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I only have one question. That link you posted, did he actually work for CX or all he did was interviewing?
it's just one anecdotal example of how this and other websites are filled with such stories, and when you combine this (for me) with the fact that I have first hand accounts from friends who interviewed, and one guy at Gemini who used to work there, that's enough for me.
 

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You have 2 people on this thread right now that have years of actual experience with the airline and, I for one, have no reason to say anything other then the truth.


A. The freighter fleet is about as great a group to fly with as I can imagine. We have some very young captains that are extreamly professional and hands off and The ANC hotel at 5:30pm is a huge social hour and drinking fest.

B. I just did a Line Check and it was more like a laid back line flight then a check ride. It went very well and i'm not the smartest tool in the shed.

C. All the senior Brits and Aussie captains I've flown with have been great as well. I have not seen any of the anti-Americanism for myself just heard about it thorugh the grape vine, and i'm sure some of it was self-induced.

There are negitives here just like anywhere, but take pprune as a comic strip and not as a realistic presentation of the airline culture.
 
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which begs the question... where did all of these stories (some of which I've heard first hand) come from? Also, is maybe your experience on the Freight side not quite indicative of the rest of the fleet?
 

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We all know that one or two bad apples, both the poeple that cause the problems and guys that embelish the truth, can cause alot of stories to generated.

I do know of one or two senior captians that seem to be the epicenter of distasteful remarks, however I have never been part of any organization (Disney World, the Navy, college) that didn't have a couple s---Heads.

I have flown with the head and deputy head of training for the 744 fleet and can honestly say there is NO attitude streaming down from above, they are 100% awesome guys. It is petty little underlings that have a personal beef. Just like you were told in elementery school igonre them and enjoy life.

As far as the freight side, sure there is less of a chance of attitude because I fly with almost all North American pilots, but when I was doing IOE on the PAX side, I didn't see anything negitive either.
 
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I was just chatting with a friend last night; he's been at CX for a year on the 340 as a Hong Kong based cruise FO. As a Yank, he said he's had a wonderful experience there so far. Said the Brits and Aussies were just as great to fly with as most of the guys he used to fly with here at Comair. We have our tools and I'm sure every airline has their fair share!

I'm beginning to take a closer look at CX cargo. Upgrading now on the CRJ, so getting the 1000PIC will be the current priority, but ANC would be a hovercrafter's paradise, and ATL is only 6 hours from home.

I just wish CX had reciprocol j/s privileges!!
 

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Hi!

Emirates:
FO pay is now about $77K, plus bonuses, if the airline makes money (they made money in 2001). The pay to fly you to the interview (U used to have to get there on your own dime). You can reapply after 2 years if rejected (it used to be 1 shot only).

A guy I know is close to 10,000 TT, with 2000 or so 121 PIC. He, however, has NO widebody experience and NO oceanic experience (N. America only).
The Emirates recruiter told him he could go off the street 777 captain at $160K/year! I thought you had to be type rated for capt, but things have changed.

He said they pay for your housing (which I already knew) and give you an interest free loan to buy your car (you have to live in Dubai). Your per diem is about $120/day, and when you arrive at the hotel, the front desk gives you your per diem, cash, in local currency, to cover the length of that particular stay. My buddy is pretty excited about Emirates. He also met a DAL 777 captain who retired at 57 and went to Emirates-he can fly there until he's 65. The DAL guy said it's the best job he's ever had.

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Hi!

Emirates:
FO pay is now about $77K, plus bonuses, if the airline makes money (they made money in 2001). The pay to fly you to the interview (U used to have to get there on your own dime). You can reapply after 2 years if rejected (it used to be 1 shot only).

A guy I know is close to 10,000 TT, with 2000 or so 121 PIC. He, however, has NO widebody experience and NO oceanic experience (N. America only).
The Emirates recruiter told him he could go off the street 777 captain at $160K/year! I thought you had to be type rated for capt, but things have changed.

He said they pay for your housing (which I already knew) and give you an interest free loan to buy your car (you have to live in Dubai). Your per diem is about $120/day, and when you arrive at the hotel, the front desk gives you your per diem, cash, in local currency, to cover the length of that particular stay. My buddy is pretty excited about Emirates. He also met a DAL 777 captain who retired at 57 and went to Emirates-he can fly there until he's 65. The DAL guy said it's the best job he's ever had.

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There are some pretty big inaccuracies in that post. Go to the www.emiratesgroupcareers.com website to find the actual pay. A DEC needs 3000 PIC in aircraft above 55 tonnes, not 2000. Per diem on an overnight can be as little as $35 for 24 hours or as much as $120. The average is something closer to $75. It's just enough to buy meals for your time there, not much else. Starting Captain pay, again on the website, is 29,750 Dirhams per month plus an additional 45 Dirhams per scheduled block hour. One Dollar equals 3.68 Dirhams. If you do the math it is no where near $160K/year. It is only when you can take into account the tax advantages of living overseas to say something more correct like: The pay is equivalent to 160K on an after tax take home basis.

The interest free loan for buying a car is only 55,000 Dirhams. Most new cars are over 100,000 Dirhams.

Emirates is a good job, no doubt about it, but it isn't nirvana.

To find out more you could always PM me at the other place.


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