JoeMerchant
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All night highspeeds with unlimited legs, 2.7 hours per day for vacation pay instead of 3.75 hrs, being dropped back onto reserve after flying, 14 hour airport reserve... still 10 day off minimum.... who the crap wrote that piece of junk??
All wrong.
-CDO's cannot be front loaded or back loaded any more
-The on duty break for CDO's was increased from five to six hours
-Pay for a week of vacation actually increased
-Airport reserve was reduced to 9 hours
-No pilot can be taken below the contractual min days off any more. That was the single most common complaint of junior pilots
I have not seen one single factually correct piece of information in this thread. All I see is a bunch of angry at management pilots rationalizing a 'no' vote.
All wrong.
-CDO's cannot be front loaded or back loaded any more
-The on duty break for CDO's was increased from five to six hours
-Pay for a week of vacation actually increased
-Airport reserve was reduced to 9 hours
-No pilot can be taken below the contractual min days off any more. That was the single most common complaint of junior pilots
I have not seen one single factually correct piece of information in this thread. All I see is a bunch of angry at management pilots rationalizing a 'no' vote.
Not 100% correct, if you really want to split hairs. A pilot can be DHD, operate to domicile THEN CDO and it is compliant. It can be front loaded, back loaded would have to be more creative. The language says "operate", a dhd is not operating.
Not correct. No pilot can be extended into a day off.In certain circumstances, a RSV can be taking below min day, so that is not 100 accurate either.
Certain extensions cannot be denied anymore, if out of domicile, you are more open to extension and you have no refusal option.
???? No one can be junior assigned more than 48 hours prior to the report time of the trip. Plus they can not junior assign into a single duty day with days off either side. Do the math. They can only tag you for an assignment immediately following a trip.Junior assignments, whoppee you can decline them, but now everyone has to take at least 6 per year. Plus any JA over 48 hours is fair game.
It has been four years and 3 months.You saved the junior pilots but threw the other 85% under the bus.
Vacations went up from 18.75 to 18.9. Wow, .15 or about 9 MINUTES more pay PER WEEK. The super senior get a whopping 36 more minutes of pay for 4 weeks of vacation. The 9 minutes more pay is worth the vacation slides?
all in all, I would agree there are some improvements, are there enough to warrant the 5 years it took? That is for the 1200+ pilots to decide.
Vote YES and see what DW says. Dollars to donuts this will be a grievance, his position has always been DHD is "not flying"
The definitions section is specific. The limit is two legs prior to the on duty break and two legs after the on duty break - no matter where in the AC you sit.
A reserve pilot whose assignment ends on a previously scheduled day off for reasons beyond the Company's control will be entitled to extension premium credits earned on such day, plus a five (5) hour pay credit for the first day below minimum days off.Not correct. No pilot can be extended into a day off.
true, very true. as long as it is before midnight. Define home, is that your home or the domicile? With more than 50% of the pilots being commuters, the extension language does not help them if tagged out of domicile and held out of domicile. That is the issue. Do through flying to another hub/focus city and you are fair game for an extension that cannot be refused.You still get home the same day
I will concede to that, (reading earlier language) The current book does not compel a pilot to a JA, the new language compels you. While this does protect the junior pilot with 11 days off or less, it hurts anyone senior that is not on a 30/7 bubble or near a vacation. The only plus is it appears no one will ever be JA's into a CDO???? No one can be junior assigned more than 48 hours prior to the report time of the trip. Plus they can not junior assign into a single duty day with days off either side. Do the math. They can only tag you for an assignment immediately following a trip.
Actually, Wake and company started section 6 six months early as allowed. We started negotiations in December 2004. Thus, it is 4 years and almost 10 months, slightly closer to 5 years, but what is a couple of months anywayIt has been four years and 3 months.
All wrong.
-CDO's cannot be front loaded or back loaded any more
-The on duty break for CDO's was increased from five to six hours
-Pay for a week of vacation actually increased
-Airport reserve was reduced to 9 hours
-No pilot can be taken below the contractual min days off any more. That was the single most common complaint of junior pilots
I have not seen one single factually correct piece of information in this thread. All I see is a bunch of angry at management pilots rationalizing a 'no' vote.