PILOT CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR AIR CARRIER OPERATIONS- Public Comment Process

[JonnyKnoxville]

PILOT CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR AIR CARRIER OPERATIONS- Public Comment Process
http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html#documentDetail?R=0900006480a8faeb

Your chance to submit your comments. Here is what I wrote:

As an Airline Pilot, I strongly feel that this proposed rule does not go far enough! A pilot with 1500 hours is a very new pilot with limited experience. The Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certificate (which requires 1500 hours) should be an absolute minimum qualification to earn money as a pilot in any pilot position throughout this country without exception. The fact that pilots who only hold a commercial pilot certificate can fly an aircraft for compensation needs to be addressed. There just is not enough training that has taken place for a pilot to take on the added pressures of flying for compensation when their training base and operational knowledge are so limited.

Furthermore, I am outraged to hear that exceptions are being considered to protect the universities and flight schools that have aviation programs. An aviation educational program and it's financial success should not be of a higher concern than that of the flying public's safety! The idea of having programs with training exemptions built into them is just a loophole that would put inexperienced pilots in an airline's flight deck. Just because someone reads books and takes test in a classroom on flying does not mean that he/she is capable of flying an airplane. Even with today's modern flight simulators and advanced training technics, nothing replaces the real-world experience of being trained in the flight deck of a real aircraft.

I strongly feel that these changes must take place to advance aviation safety especially at a time when many highly experienced pilots are starting to retire. Please feel free to contact me if you wish to discuss this issue in greater detail.

 

[Abernathy]

The Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certificate (which requires 1500 hours) should be an absolute minimum qualification to earn money as a pilot in any pilot position throughout this country without exception.

That means to do any flying job (CFI, Banner Tow, sight seeing, demo flying, etc...) would require 1500 hours. This also means that in order for anyone to get any flying job, they would have to PAY for 1500 hours of flying. Some flying jobs don't need 1500 hours of experience (see above).

Do you really think that makes sense?

By the way, how many hours did you have before you got paid to fly?

 

[Jar Jar]

PILOT CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR AIR CARRIER OPERATIONS- Public Comment Process
http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...00006480a8faeb

Your chance to submit your comments. Here is what I wrote:

As an Airline Pilot, I strongly feel that this proposed rule does not go far enough! A pilot with 1500 hours is a very new pilot with limited experience. The Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certificate (which requires 1500 hours) should be an absolute minimum qualification to earn money as a pilot in any pilot position throughout this country without exception. The fact that pilots who only hold a commercial pilot certificate can fly an aircraft for compensation needs to be addressed. There just is not enough training that has taken place for a pilot to take on the added pressures of flying for compensation when their training base and operational knowledge are so limited.

Furthermore, I am outraged to hear that exceptions are being considered to protect the universities and flight schools that have aviation programs. An aviation educational program and it's financial success should not be of a higher concern than that of the flying public's safety! The idea of having programs with training exemptions built into them is just a loophole that would put inexperienced pilots in an airline's flight deck. Just because someone reads books and takes test in a classroom on flying does not mean that he/she is capable of flying an airplane. Even with today's modern flight simulators and advanced training technics, nothing replaces the real-world experience of being trained in the flight deck of a real aircraft.

I strongly feel that these changes must take place to advance aviation safety especially at a time when many highly experienced pilots are starting to retire. Please feel free to contact me if you wish to discuss this issue in greater detail.

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[Flyby1206]

This should be limited to part 121 flying. Nice letter, genius. Don't you wish you thought about what you were writing before you sent it to the government? It's ok, they probably won't read it anyway.

That was the general idea of my comments regarding the ATP. Afterall, wouldnt it make sense to require an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate to fly an Airline Transport Category aircraft? Flying SIC for a 121 carrier should require the ATP, but they ATP cert needs some serious overhaul too in terms of min requirements (areas of operating experience) in addition to knowledge requirements (its a freakin joke that you can purchase the Gleim and have every question word-for-word to pass the written).

The commercial pilot certificate reqs should stay right where they are, and it should be kept as a license for those who want to work in other areas of the aviation industry (CFI, banner tow, night freight/light twin, small corp aircraft, etc).




Also- goto http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html#home and search for FAA-2010-0100. Then click the submit comments to add your 2cents. If you download the actual docket it references specific questions they want to hear comments about (use the question numbers when submitting comments)

 

[Abernathy]

That was the general idea of my comments regarding the ATP. Afterall, wouldnt it make sense to require an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate to fly an Airline Transport Category aircraft? Flying SIC for a 121 carrier should require the ATP, but they ATP cert needs some serious overhaul too in terms of min requirements (areas of operating experience) in addition to knowledge requirements (its a freakin joke that you can purchase the Gleim and have every question word-for-word to pass the written).

The commercial pilot certificate reqs should stay right where they are, and it should be kept as a license for those who want to work in other areas of the aviation industry (CFI, banner tow, night freight/light twin, small corp aircraft, etc).

I agree.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

That means to do any flying job (CFI, Banner Tow, sight seeing, demo flying, etc...) would require 1500 hours. This also means that in order for anyone to get any flying job, they would have to PAY for 1500 hours of flying. Some flying jobs don't need 1500 hours of experience (see above).

Do you really think that makes sense?

By the way, how many hours did you have before you got paid to fly?

Yes I do! Qualifications must be raised to drive down the supply of pilots. In return, the demand for pilots will increase to the point that we might actually be able to support our families and allow you to get a place of your own rather than living in mom and dad's basement (crazy concept).

To answer your second question, 1600 hours and 200 multi to be hired at my airline. Of the other people interviewing, I was the youngest and most inexperienced by far! As far as instructing, if those requirements were raised as well, it would lead to better pay.

Your line of thinking is like saying that a doctor should not have to go through all of those years of med school and residency because it is hard to do. They should be able to take a 10 month crash course and start as a doctor in an operating room.

 

[Flyby1206]

Yes I do! Qualifications must be raised to drive down the supply of pilots. In return, the demand for pilots will increase to the point that we might actually be able to support our families rather than living in mom and dad's basement (crazy concept).

This bill isnt about "driving down the supply of pilots" or even about our paychecks- it is about safety. I was much more competent/qualified to fly a C172 when I was a 250hr pilot compared to now when I have 5k+ in an RJ.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

This bill isnt about "driving down the supply of pilots" or even about our paychecks- it is about safety. I was much more competent/qualified to fly a C172 when I was a 250hr pilot compared to now when I have 5k+ in an RJ.

250 hours might make you a good cessna pilot but I would not put my family in the back of your RJ with you at the controls along with your 250 hours.

Enhanced safety will result from this bill passing. Limiting pilot supply will just be the added bonus.

 

[Flyby1206]

250 hours might make you a good cessna pilot but I would not put my family in the back of your RJ with you at the controls along with your 250 hours.

Enhanced safety will result from this bill passing. Limiting pilot supply will just be the added bonus.

DING DING we have a winner! At 250hrs you should be flying a C172 or light aircraft to gain experience, not an RJ. The comm license should apply to the light aircraft, not airliners

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

DING DING we have a winner! At 250hrs you should be flying a C172 or light aircraft to gain experience, not an RJ. The comm license should apply to the light aircraft, not airliners

Wrong, the private pilot license should apply. At 250 hours you should not be in a position to earn money with your vast mastery of aviation skill. [sarcasm]