Re: Oh Boy - Here we go again
Why is it too bad that Ornstein is going ahead with Freedom? Isn't ALPA and the USAirMEC going ahead with Potomac? What's the difference? And please, spare me the part about Potomac recognizing ALPA. There's more than one fox loose in the hen house and only one of them answers to the name of Ornstein. The other two live in D.C. and Pittsburgh.
That is absolutely not a true statement and if you are really a AAA pilot, you very well know that unless you've had your head buried in the "it doesn't affect me" sand trap.
I don't think anyone (certainly not me) is complaining about you trying to get some of the new flying for your furloughed pilots. What's wrong is not what you're doing but HOW you're doing it.
You are doing it with total disregard for how it affects your fellow pilots at other airlines that work for the same company that you work for. That behavior is wrotten to the core. I don't blame individual USAir pilots, but I do blame ALPA and I do blame your USAir MEC.
There are far better ways to solve the problem yet your leaders have demonstrated (again) that you care nothing about anyone but yourselves. Yet, you seem to think that others should be sympathetic to your plight. The actions of your leaders are converting the normal sympathy of others into the same thoughtless behavior that your leaders and ALPA's leaders are demonstrating.
I sincerely hope that you find no suckers at Mesa, TSA or Chq or CCair that will fall for your groups willingness to take advantage of others for your own selfish benefit. I don't care if you fly ALL the new jets, but don't shaft other people in the process. Find a way to do it that doesn't require that. Yes, there's a right way to do it and, if your Company really needs those aircraft as bad as they say they do, you can both get it done the right way.
Unfortunately the people with the power to do something to solve the problems and to do the right thing, don't write on these forum boards. Just as they are silent here, they are silent everywhere else. They have abdicated their responsibility to do something meaningful and instead dedicate their time to finding ways to step on other pilots or to aid those that do.
It is nothing short of shameful and a disgrace to the once good name of the Air Line Pilots Association.
Yes, I'm angry. Not at you or people like you, for you too are the victims of blind and incompetent leaders. You just haven't figured that out yet, but the day will come when you do.
typhoonpilot said:Surplus1 is right about LOA 81 changing the code share restriction. Mesa is free to operate 70/90 seat RJs for America West Express now. It is too bad the Ornstein is going ahead with Freedom Air though.
Why is it too bad that Ornstein is going ahead with Freedom? Isn't ALPA and the USAirMEC going ahead with Potomac? What's the difference? And please, spare me the part about Potomac recognizing ALPA. There's more than one fox loose in the hen house and only one of them answers to the name of Ornstein. The other two live in D.C. and Pittsburgh.
Being on the other side of the fence, I have watched PDT, ALG, PSA benefit enormously at the expense of the mainline over the last 12 years. They have taken our routes and not offered us jobs while on furlough.
That is absolutely not a true statement and if you are really a AAA pilot, you very well know that unless you've had your head buried in the "it doesn't affect me" sand trap.
This time the mainline pilots have fought hard enough to ensure they they get some of the jobs that are going away from the mainline. Sorry that it will adversely affect pilots at the wholly owneds but there are 1070 furloughed USAirways pilots already and probably more to follow and since it is mainline routes that are being flown with these new jets it should be mainline pilots flying them.
I don't think anyone (certainly not me) is complaining about you trying to get some of the new flying for your furloughed pilots. What's wrong is not what you're doing but HOW you're doing it.
You are doing it with total disregard for how it affects your fellow pilots at other airlines that work for the same company that you work for. That behavior is wrotten to the core. I don't blame individual USAir pilots, but I do blame ALPA and I do blame your USAir MEC.
There are far better ways to solve the problem yet your leaders have demonstrated (again) that you care nothing about anyone but yourselves. Yet, you seem to think that others should be sympathetic to your plight. The actions of your leaders are converting the normal sympathy of others into the same thoughtless behavior that your leaders and ALPA's leaders are demonstrating.
I sincerely hope that you find no suckers at Mesa, TSA or Chq or CCair that will fall for your groups willingness to take advantage of others for your own selfish benefit. I don't care if you fly ALL the new jets, but don't shaft other people in the process. Find a way to do it that doesn't require that. Yes, there's a right way to do it and, if your Company really needs those aircraft as bad as they say they do, you can both get it done the right way.
Unfortunately the people with the power to do something to solve the problems and to do the right thing, don't write on these forum boards. Just as they are silent here, they are silent everywhere else. They have abdicated their responsibility to do something meaningful and instead dedicate their time to finding ways to step on other pilots or to aid those that do.
It is nothing short of shameful and a disgrace to the once good name of the Air Line Pilots Association.
Yes, I'm angry. Not at you or people like you, for you too are the victims of blind and incompetent leaders. You just haven't figured that out yet, but the day will come when you do.