New Contract

[ShutupandFly]

Can somone tell me if this passes the smell test. The union at my airline has told us we have a TA with the company but they are not posting it on the website. They are going to "present" the information to us at two meetings they will have at the end of the month. We are supposed to make it to one of the meetings, listen to what they have to say and then vote yes or no. This will be a problem for me as I won't even be in the coutry on ether date. This is what they posted.

"There is no doubt that you are very anxious to see the language and terms of your new contract. Because this is your first agreement we will present the information at ratification meetings on January 23rd and 24th. We will announce the times and location sometime next week. It is very important that everyone make a special effort to come to one of the meetings. Ballots will be handed out at the meetings and then will be counted after the last meeting on January 24th."

Any suggestions?

 

[homerjdispatch]

Can somone tell me if this passes the smell test. The union at my airline has told us we have a TA with the company but they are not posting it on the website. They are going to "present" the information to us at two meetings they will have at the end of the month. We are supposed to make it to one of the meetings, listen to what they have to say and then vote yes or no. This will be a problem for me as I won't even be in the coutry on ether date. This is what they posted.

"There is no doubt that you are very anxious to see the language and terms of your new contract. Because this is your first agreement we will present the information at ratification meetings on January 23rd and 24th. We will announce the times and location sometime next week. It is very important that everyone make a special effort to come to one of the meetings. Ballots will be handed out at the meetings and then will be counted after the last meeting on January 24th."

Any suggestions?

One suggestion....GET RID OF THE UNION!!!!

 

[Occam's Razor]

Can somone tell me if this passes the smell test. The union at my airline has told us we have a TA with the company but they are not posting it on the website. They are going to "present" the information to us at two meetings they will have at the end of the month. We are supposed to make it to one of the meetings, listen to what they have to say and then vote yes or no. This will be a problem for me as I won't even be in the coutry on ether date. This is what they posted.

"There is no doubt that you are very anxious to see the language and terms of your new contract. Because this is your first agreement we will present the information at ratification meetings on January 23rd and 24th. We will announce the times and location sometime next week. It is very important that everyone make a special effort to come to one of the meetings. Ballots will be handed out at the meetings and then will be counted after the last meeting on January 24th."

Any suggestions?

1. Contact your rep(s). Ask them who made the decision to hold off on publication of the T.A....and why. Also, ask for accommodation to review the information and vote prior to your trip.
2. Review your union's rules. Are they permitted (or required!) to conduct ratification voting this way? [Note: All Americans vote on a single day, unless the voter himself makes arrangements to recieve and return, an absentee ballot] If they aren't, the DoL will help you straighten it out.

It's not unusual to delay getting the entire T.A. out the membership. Many times the agreement reached at the table is "bullet points" or agreement in principle...with exact langauge to be developed later. An example of that was the '01 pilot strike at CMR. If the voting is on a compressed timeline, requring attendance at roadhsows tends to ensure that the membership is voting with all the details, with the opportunity to ask questions, instead of simply reading a document on your home computer.

I think the release of all the available details as quickly as possible is always the correct course of action, but I understand why your leadership might want to handle this first vote (especially if you have a small shop) using a must be present to win method.

 

[405]

They won't let us see our "contract" until the meetings on the 23rd and 24th.

 

[405]

I'll just ask my attorney to get involved. We'll see what happens after that.

 

[Occam's Razor]

They won't let us see our "contract" until the meetings on the 23rd and 24th.

What did your elected rep(s) say when you asked them why?

 

[homerjdispatch]

What union did you all vote in?

 

[hoover]

It was the same at Air Wisconsin. We voted at one of two presentation meetings. They had the contract ready for us to read at the presentation.

 

[405]

What did your elected rep(s) say when you asked them why?

They said the language wasn't complete and they didn't want to confuse anyone with that.

When asked about when the TA would be ready, they said it would be ready for the meetings.

We get two or three hours to review a contract at their meeting that's going to last for six years.

Completely unacceptable.

 

[405]

What union did you all vote in?

TWU.

It was one vote that got them in. One vote.

The best part is that all of the union supporters are now gone except for maybe two people.