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Lrjet55

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Since this is the corporate link I thought I would post my miserable corporate experience for you guys to learn from. O.K. here goes.
I was at a company for over two years(captain). Gave them great service. Never took all my vacation time, called in sick once the whole time, never damamged an airplane. A model employee if you will. I thought that it would be very courteous of me to give the company as much heads up of my departure as possible. Mind you I had discussed months before with the owners and the cheif pilot the one job I was going after. Anyhow I got my job and let them know 1 month in advance when I would be leaving. This is the part where you guy rip on me for being so honest. 3 days after I put in my notice I was let go. How about that!!!
 

c172

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SORRY

SORRY TO HEAR TO BAD ABOUT YOUR OLD JOB .BUT IN THE CORPOPATE LIFE THAT IS ONE THING I'M LEARING YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH . SORRY TO HEAR THAT !ALL YOU CAN DO NOW IS CLOSE THAT BOOK AND OPEN THE NEXT GOOD LUCK
 

CL60

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Been there too

Hey Lrjet55,

Welcome to the club! Sounds like you got your cherry popped. After over a decade in corp aviation, I've learned that you will get stabbed in the back, undermined, lied to, cheated, manipulated, and robbed by some of the less reputable operators. It gets better once you get away from the lower end of corp aviation.

You think your story is bad? I was in a pilot's lounge one day in 1993 reading a popular aircraft sales magazine and saw my airplane for sale! I called the broker, (the broker was a friend of mine), to verify that it was indeed my aircraft. The broker said that it was for sale and that the owner asked him not to tell the crew because he wanted the crew available until the plane was gone. I've got several other stories that would make your blood boil.

Do yourslef a favor. Don't stop being honest and decent. Your reputaion is everything in this business and it will precede you wherever you go. If certain companies want to play their games with you then so be it. Don't let them dictate how you act. You will eventually get a good job and to a large degree, your reputaion will get you there.

Good luck and don't look back...
 

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remember,
theres a WHOLE LOT of real scumbag operators out there in the corporate world, especially at the charter end..
dont let it get you down, obviously you are leaving for a better job, no? sounds like it was just a starter job, let it go. With that type of attitude they will get a reputation fast..
One question?? Why in the world would you not use all your vacation????? I hope you were reimbursed???
Never do any of these comapnies any favors...they will just turn around and screw you!!
Better luck at the next gig, it gets much better as you work for higher quality places!!
 

Lrjet55

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I really don't know why I didnt use all my vacation. I guess I figured I was saving it for something or other. Either way you are right. I am leaving for a better job and I hopefully will never have to do the lousy91/135 crap anymore.
I definately learnt my lesson.
CL60 - Your story definately beats mine. I mean that in the nicest possible way. It's nice to know I am not the only one to have gotten screwed.
Bigger and better things ahead. Good luck to all.
 

Lrjet55

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G200

By the way I was just curious, how does that G200 fly. Is it as nice as it was supposed to be. I saw the cockpit a few months ago and it was one of the cleanest I have ever seen.
 

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be realistic

It is common practice and in fact policy at many companies, not anything to do with aviation or flight departments, to have people who resign leave immediately.
 

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It may be common place, but it's common stupidity... The previous posts are correct this behavior is unfortunately, not unmatched. But, to excuse it under the veil of, "it's done in other business'" only perpetuates the practice. I try to maintain the sometimes minority opinion that both business and individuals should operate under the treat others how you would want them to treat you philosophy...

Hopefully those forced to endure this crap uses the experience to move on to bigger and, most importantly, better things.

Remember, operators like this are most likely treating other aspects of their operation in the same manner. (i.e. maintenance) As said earlier, hang on to the truely important ideals like your integrity, professionalism, and respect for others and hopefully you will be rewarded with bigger and better things to come.

I'll step down from the soap box now... Take care all and fly safe.
 

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As a low timer, I would certainly benefit from the identity of your former employer. If you don't want to post it here, send me a PM so I can avoid this. I don't have several decades to screw around..
 

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SAME HERE

YES THE SAME HERE LOW TIME AND NO TIME TO MESS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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My story

Was flying for a large mid west (ohio) check hauler in a LJ 35, was upgrading to capt. on the bid sheet that was out. Got a job offer to fly corp. I always wanted to fly corp so what the hey.

I took a $20,000 pay cut with the promise of $5,000 in 30 days, a type and $5,000 in 90 days and the remaining $10,000 at 6 mo. (I didn't get it writting); then I signed a trainingg contract, I'm responsible for the training cost if I leave inside a year. So far so good. They say all the right things: home more, nicer places to go, better hotels, better food, ect...

I buy it hook-line-and-sinker.

In my old job I left Sun night and got home Fri afternoon, my new job I leave mon come home 3 weeks latter (by the way this was only an out and back).

Long story short. About 2 weeks after I start they tell me that the chief pilot is on the way out and I'll be replaceing hime (cool). 30 days no pay raise, 90 days no type or pay raise?????? 6 mo. still no pay raise and CP is still there. I go to the owner of the company (also in CMH flying a SBR65) and say what gives. He proceeds to tell me he never told me anything like I mentioned above. Wait I say I wouldn't have taken a $20,000 pay cut with out you saying those things. I wouldn't have acceped the job for the same pay to be gone 2x as much. He says never said any of that. FAT liar.

Time passes we go to the Caymans for 8 days, home 10 hours Europe 8 days home 3 days (with an out and backs) gone again 4 days. The average trip length? 5 days. In Apr we go to S. Amer. for 9 days. On the way down we stop in Cali, Columbia; Cortaba, Argintina; Lima, Peru; Caymans, then CMH. I do all the customs paper work and give it to the boss to sign, up to the cockpit he comes, "I don't want anyone to know I was in Columbia." He proceds to tear up his customs paperwork and ask for mine. I say I was I Columbia, and before we left we did file a flight plan so we're not the only people to know we were there. At this point he is pissed and ask for more forms. Sorry 4 people on board 4 forms, "I didn't make a mistake." 20 min latter up to the cockpit he comes, we have a trip this weekend. (ok are you keeping score? 9 days in S. Amer, leaving in 4 days for a 2 week trip and he wants an overnight between now and then?) I inform him I'm not available and all hell brakes lose. (did I mention I was schedeuled to do my cheak ride the next day, they canceled it for a 3rd time). I come home tell my wife all this and announce to her I'm quitting on Mon. (it's Thur). I'll pay the training contract and screw him.

Walk in on mon and get fired on the spot. 2 weeks pay and no Benes. Did I mention that my wife was 5 mo. preg.? Or that I have a 3year old and a 1year old? Or that we bought our house 4 mo. prior?

Oh well next time things get put into writting.

Collected unemployment and flew contract work till Sept 12 when FSI called me with a full time job.

Avoid the only SBR based in KCMH with all your might.

They did call me in Aug to ask me if I'd fly some contract work, I said $300/day up front. They didn't call me back and the FO they did use only got $300/dy for a 3 day trip and got a check for $300.00

Hope things change over there. Did you read this Shawn? Uncle Jimmy looks out for himself.
 

AZaviator

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SBR65

Very interesting story. You definetly did the right thing.

Just curious, what kind of aircraft is a "SBR65?"

Best of luck to you at FSI.
 

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LrJet55,

The G200 flys very nice, climbs like an old learjet when its light!! yes it has a pretty clean cockpit and a very nice size cabin for the size of the aircraft. We have had a few MX issues but I suppose that is to be expected on a brand new model....we have taken it all over the world and it has only broken down once (only..)
oh well, best of luck with the new job!

G200
 

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In any job, you will not be faulted for giving 2 weeks notice. I know you may want to be nice and give more, but often times that will just bite you in the ass. And in corporate aviation, if you give the company about 1 year of service for recouping the cost of the type-rating, you are being fair.

If you do these two things, and they are still unhappy, it wouldn't have mattered if you gave them 6 months notice, they still won't be happy.

Burning bridges is never good, especially in the small world of aviation. My advice is to only make very calculated job changes, this will limit the number of times you have to quit (and piss people off).

Good Luck,
Jetpilot500
 
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