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Delta's pension is next on the block

Delta Sees 'Substantial Loss' in 2005
Thursday March 10, 10:58 am ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer Delta Sees 'Substantial Loss' in 2005, Warns It May Have to Seek Bankruptcy Protection



ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc., the nation's third-largest airline, said Thursday it expects to report a "substantial" loss this year and warned it may have to seek bankruptcy protection if its financial situation worsens. Its shares tumbled 9 percent.

The Atlanta-based company said in its annual report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission that it doesn't believe the company's cash flows from operations will be sufficient to meet all of Delta's liquidity needs. It said it would have to tap available cash and the final $250 million it borrowed late last year from American Express Co. to meet those needs.

But the company, which has $3.4 billion in obligations in 2005 related to leases, interest on debt, debt maturities and funding of employee pensions, said its fate is uncertain.

"A restructuring under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code may be particularly difficult because we pledged substantially all of our remaining unencumbered collateral in connection with transactions we completed in the December 2004 quarter as part of our out-of-court restructuring," Delta said in the filing.

Delta was able to avoid bankruptcy late last year after its pilots agreed to $1 billion in concessions, including deep wage cuts. But its financial condition has continued to be under pressure in recent months as fuel prices have increased and it has faced challenges due to low passenger mile yields.

Delta reported a loss of $5.2 billion for 2004, the highest ever by a U.S. airline in a single year. It didn't say in Thursday's filing exactly how much it expects to lose in 2005.

Delta said it expects its cash and short-term investments will be much lower at Dec. 31, 2005, than at the end of 2004, unless the airline is able to sell assets or issue stock or convertible debt.

Delta is trying to eliminate more than $5 billion in costs by the end of 2006, but said in Thursday's filing it doesn't expect to achieve the full targeted benefits of that until the end of 2006.

Delta said that even it meets that cost reduction target, it "may need even greater cost savings because our industry has been subject to progressively increasing competitive pressure."

The company said last September it would cut up to 7,000 jobs over 18 months. That was on top of another 16,000 jobs that were cut since 2001. The company has not said whether even further job cuts will be needed to turn things around. Delta shares fell 45 cents, or 9.2 percent, to $4.44 in morning trading Thursday on the New York Stock Exchange. Its shares have ranged from $2.75 to $9.17 over the past 52 weeks.
 
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If only "FlyDeltasJets" were on the board now. If you're lurking Patrick all I can say is "I told you so".

Arrogance is a thin shield in this industry. Perhaps you have learned that simple fact out on the street these last couple of years?
 
Ouch... Feeding on their own now.. What do you guys think.?? I DAL a good buy ?

I still think Delta Stock is a 'guarded' buy right now.. Its gonna take em a bit to turn that ship... but when they do... look out baby. It seems a fella could make some coin from it ??? Thoughts anyone ?

Good Luck to all.
 
You might make some coin or you migt lose it all if the go the 11 route and cancel the stock.

Gentlemen, place your bets!
 
haven't seen...

I haven't seen anything which I believe would turn Delta around. Song and the pay cuts are not enough, selling seats cheaper, p*ssing off the entire workforce, Tell me where I'm wrong, I'll listen.
 
From the article...

"A restructuring under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code may be particularly difficult because we pledged substantially all of our remaining unencumbered collateral in connection with transactions we completed in the December 2004 quarter as part of our out-of-court restructuring," Delta said in the filing.

That is the scary part. I'm afraid Delta has already made Ch11 very difficult, and it is coming for Delta and others. If you have a traditional pension and fly airplanes, your airline will be in Ch11. Some airlines are going to be well positioned to restructure in bankruptcy, some will have a tougher road. Hope I'm wrong. I'm particularly fond of airlines that actually have big airplanes and fly overseas, so I'm on Delta's side.
 
Delta, with a $2.2 billion loss in the fourth quarter alone, said it expected to meet its liquidity needs from cash flows from operations, available cash, aircraft financing and funding from a loan deal with American Express.

"Overall, this is pretty much in line with what they've been saying," said Susan Donofrio, an analyst at Fulcrum Global Partners who has a "buy" recommendation on Delta shares.

Delta could raise some $1 billion by selling its regional airline subsidiaries, she said.

"That will help them weather the revenue storm in the coming months and maintain sufficient liquidity," she said.


IF you read this, you will see the plan, the same one we have been stating here this week. We knew that we would be tight on cash at the end of this year, and the report states that. We also have started discussions on selling all or part of our DCI portfolio. That extra cash will fill in the gaps, and will get us through this year. That has been known for awhile. Delta has to report this type of stuff with the government, it is a legal requirement.

Could DL ask for more pay cuts? Possibly. If they went after the pesnions, there would be another large exodus. I would be a 777 Capt in no time, although at a cheaper rate apparently.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
"Delta has to report this type of stuff with the government, it is a legal requirement."

All is well, no need to panic, just a little iceberg, nothing to worry about, all is well, the band is playing, have another drink, plenty of ice, all is well!
 

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