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Laughing_Jakal said:
Kind of hard to firm up my standing bid....I am in training right now....Wow...I wonder what I could go to next? With so much in the "air" right now being in negotiations and all....I just don't know what to bid. So hard to know what the environment will be like without a new contract to hang my hat on. New airplanes, new domiciles...everything in play...hmmm I don't think I can decide till I see what the flying environment (i.e. contract) looks like.


What to do....what to do.

I like your logic!

A mutual friend thought it would be interesting if everyone bid 727 S/O on their standing big. I laughed when he suggested it.

They want us to "play nice" but it is a one way street.

Goose17
 
PurpleTail said:
Just read the email from JL, what a logistical nightmare. 200+ widebody captains for the LOW side...NICE!

Just think, a couple of years ago S/O were stuck there for several years and now new hires could be going straight to the right seat of the Mad Dog! Wow.

ANC increase of about 100 crewmembers...not a bad place to be if you can get the family up there...and if you are single then you need to go get your shots up to date with all the nice Pacific Rim trips you'll be flying.

LAX to increase a little and eliminate the Long Beach and Burbank flying? Never have seen one trip in or out of there anyway? Domestic flying out of LAX is crap. Traffic is crap and commuting is even worse.

Ok, so this might be the one huge bid to cover the training dept. for the next 2-3 yrs. Do you stay a senior F/O for a couple more years or go ahead and upgrade to captain junior? Million dollar question.

For a million dollar question the answer is awful cheap if you ask me...captain junior.
 
...sounds great until you see Boston/Indy on your line 7 6 times in a month. Money ain't everything, and I've discovered my kids don't really care what my W-2 says if we are spending time together....

Not knocking the money chasers--I work hard too mixing other stuff like flying Eagles into the mix. However, not being the scheduler's love slave is certainly nice...
 
Just got to ANC. Looks like I need to bid MEM Airbus FO, two months of training, no pay raise. Then maybe back to ANC. There is no short course for the 11......so three more months of school, no pay raise and perhaps a move package. What to do? So many choices! Wonder how much they will spend training me.
 
Probably a lot more than if they'd just come to the table in good faith...penny wise and pound foolish. I'd say Jack's email pretty guaranteed that any chance of deciphering ANYTHING out of the practice bid is now impossible. There are likely 4300+ guys tonight going "oh...so you want to know what the FUTURE holds, do you....how about THIS!" Goose hit the nail on the head. More than likely, this bid will come and go and I'll still be just flippin' the pitot heat...
 
Sand bag on a practice bid. I'm sure that will get the company to the negotiating table in a hurry. The bulk of the new hires will be put into classes well after the bid closes, so the company will place new hires to satisfy manning requirements regardless of what you bid. Practice bids are to help us the crew dogs plan our career progression. If you are disingenuous in your practice bids, you are only deceiving your buds. If you want to get the company to the table, you may want put your greed aside and quit picking up all those extra trips. MEM 11 F/O open time has been cleaned out the entire month. That tells me guys aren't even holding out for the AVA that was available this month. The only reason the company isn't negotiating in good faith is because they are still getting everything from the pilot group they could possibly hope for.
 
1. The sun rises in the east,

2. Rocks sink in water,

3. NMB Mediation takes 18-24 months. And we started it when? 3 months ago?

We'll see the new far east base, the european base and the A380 before we see a contract. Might as well get mad at the wind for blowing.

As I've said before, lawyers got boat payments too....
 
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It's not that the nmb takes so long but your chance to show the company how vital you are during the holiday season has past. It will take another year before the holiday season loads come up and you can show how vital you really are.

Until then lawyers gotta eat too. :)
 
Huck said:
1. The sun rises in the east,

2. Rocks sink in water,

3. NMB Mediation takes 18-24 months. And we started it when? 3 months ago?

We'll see the new far east base, the european base and the A380 before we see a contract. Might as well get mad at the wind for blowing.

As I've said before, lawyers got boat payments too....

Well said Huck.......I gotta agree with you 100%
 

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