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enigma
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I'll give the flightinfo longtimers a break and skip my long drawn out tale, but I have a similar story. I passed the first time, (didn't get hired, run a search if you need to know the long story) and failed the second time.
It is my best guess, that quite simply, the SWA interview process is not repeatable. Unlike a proper scientific experiment, in which the same inputs should always give the same results; the SWA process can take a specific set of inputs today and spit out a different result than it will give tommorrow from the same set of inputs. IOW, your results may well have nothing to do with anything about you.
Now, don't anyone get me wrong. When I am able, I will try SWA again. I don't blame SWA, I blame me for not being a strong enough candidate to overcome the scatter in their system.
good luck,
enigma
It is my best guess, that quite simply, the SWA interview process is not repeatable. Unlike a proper scientific experiment, in which the same inputs should always give the same results; the SWA process can take a specific set of inputs today and spit out a different result than it will give tommorrow from the same set of inputs. IOW, your results may well have nothing to do with anything about you.
Now, don't anyone get me wrong. When I am able, I will try SWA again. I don't blame SWA, I blame me for not being a strong enough candidate to overcome the scatter in their system.
good luck,
enigma
skykid
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How about taking the next flying job you can get no matter what it is, doing that for a couple years and trying again? I would think that is the difference. If you are doing any kind of flying, it looks like you are really dedicated to getting there, and not just waiting out a furlough, even if that's not the case. I'm afraid the furlough deal is a scarlet letter, and you have to show you are ready to move on or they wont be interested.
jimEJet
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UAL and Enigma
I'm definitely no expert on the subject and offer my condolences to both of you and anyone else trying thier very best to make it back in the business and feed their families, however.
I would offer a suggestion based of Skykids post.
I live in the Chicago area and have several good friends of mine from UAL, AAL and UAir who are now furloughed. I was furloughed too, however. My carrier no longer exists. All of my friends have approached their furlough in different ways. One guy decided to sit at home and do the Mr. Mom thing (of which I have no problem whatsoever). He was financially set, stored his nuts and can cruise the next couple of years without any fiancial concerns. He is somewhere in the area of 300 to get recalled back to UAL. He has not been flying since November.
So, I ask him what his plans are? He says he plans on hanging around until UAL calls him back. I asked him what he planned on doing if UAL did not call him back. He does not seem to entertain that idea too much. That's fine. However, if it were me, I would have had my stuff out to Airtran, AWA, SWA, and even his prime competitor Frontier the moment I knew I was hitting the street.
Well, he seems unmotivated to do anything other than await the magical call from UAL. I do not understand it and I wish him the best. I even set him up with a previous employer of mine to fly part time in Chicago of which his reply was, "No thanks, I'll take you up on it if I really need it later on."
So, having interviewed plenty of guys myself at a previous carrier, I guess I can partially understand what Skykid was saying. You can seek some kind of job flying if you really put some effort forward. Sure it won't be a Boeing or a Airbus, it may even be a Cessna 310, but I believe you have to show the board you give enough care of your career to keep it current. It's not like the hiring freeze of the early nineties guys. The commuters are still hiring a great deal of guys. And I know, not everyone is in the position to go that route, family takes presidence, I understand that, however. you may find yourself competing with a lot younger and PIC Turbine packed competition here over the next few years if you do not get off your duffs and start looking for some sort of currency, you might find it very very difficult.
It really hit me the other day. I ran into the Millionaire in TEB and was sitting next to a fella. We were chatting and I told him that I was furloughed from an airline three years ago and we began to talk. He was about 43 years old. Well this poor guy had been furloughed from UAir. He had 17 years invested in the company. Well, I had just been discussing how it was kind of a long day for me. He said it had for him too. I asked him what he was driving. He said a C-90. He said he had just been upgraded. I said upgraded?? He said yeah, I was flying a Cessna 310 for the last six months and the company just bought the King Air.
I was dumbfounded. I didn't know what to say to the guy other than that I admired him a great deal and my heart went out to him and his family.
I feel blessed being where I am today. I have had a long fight for my career and will continue to feel blessed every day I get paid to fly.
I guess what I'm saying is this...
Do what you can to stay current if it does not upset your family life considerably. If you think flying around a 172 or a 1900 will help you pass the next interview board then you should.
If the real cause of unemployment is laziness, feeeling sorry for yourself, or the worst of all, PRIDE, I think you should re-evalute.
Go out and get current guys, it will not hurt you one bit.
I do not think my reaction for the Uair guy would be that dis-similar than the SWA board would be for you. They might really admire you for driving around in the wx in a Cessna-310 to feed your family. That in my humble opinion shows great character. It might just be the push you need during the interview to get hired at any of the carriers.
Well, that said Good luck to you all.
Oh, by the way, I know exactly what it's like to lose my job. So I'm speaking from experience. And I know it's not an easy pill to swallow.
Jim
I'm definitely no expert on the subject and offer my condolences to both of you and anyone else trying thier very best to make it back in the business and feed their families, however.
I would offer a suggestion based of Skykids post.
I live in the Chicago area and have several good friends of mine from UAL, AAL and UAir who are now furloughed. I was furloughed too, however. My carrier no longer exists. All of my friends have approached their furlough in different ways. One guy decided to sit at home and do the Mr. Mom thing (of which I have no problem whatsoever). He was financially set, stored his nuts and can cruise the next couple of years without any fiancial concerns. He is somewhere in the area of 300 to get recalled back to UAL. He has not been flying since November.
So, I ask him what his plans are? He says he plans on hanging around until UAL calls him back. I asked him what he planned on doing if UAL did not call him back. He does not seem to entertain that idea too much. That's fine. However, if it were me, I would have had my stuff out to Airtran, AWA, SWA, and even his prime competitor Frontier the moment I knew I was hitting the street.
Well, he seems unmotivated to do anything other than await the magical call from UAL. I do not understand it and I wish him the best. I even set him up with a previous employer of mine to fly part time in Chicago of which his reply was, "No thanks, I'll take you up on it if I really need it later on."
So, having interviewed plenty of guys myself at a previous carrier, I guess I can partially understand what Skykid was saying. You can seek some kind of job flying if you really put some effort forward. Sure it won't be a Boeing or a Airbus, it may even be a Cessna 310, but I believe you have to show the board you give enough care of your career to keep it current. It's not like the hiring freeze of the early nineties guys. The commuters are still hiring a great deal of guys. And I know, not everyone is in the position to go that route, family takes presidence, I understand that, however. you may find yourself competing with a lot younger and PIC Turbine packed competition here over the next few years if you do not get off your duffs and start looking for some sort of currency, you might find it very very difficult.
It really hit me the other day. I ran into the Millionaire in TEB and was sitting next to a fella. We were chatting and I told him that I was furloughed from an airline three years ago and we began to talk. He was about 43 years old. Well this poor guy had been furloughed from UAir. He had 17 years invested in the company. Well, I had just been discussing how it was kind of a long day for me. He said it had for him too. I asked him what he was driving. He said a C-90. He said he had just been upgraded. I said upgraded?? He said yeah, I was flying a Cessna 310 for the last six months and the company just bought the King Air.
I was dumbfounded. I didn't know what to say to the guy other than that I admired him a great deal and my heart went out to him and his family.
I feel blessed being where I am today. I have had a long fight for my career and will continue to feel blessed every day I get paid to fly.
I guess what I'm saying is this...
Do what you can to stay current if it does not upset your family life considerably. If you think flying around a 172 or a 1900 will help you pass the next interview board then you should.
If the real cause of unemployment is laziness, feeeling sorry for yourself, or the worst of all, PRIDE, I think you should re-evalute.
Go out and get current guys, it will not hurt you one bit.
I do not think my reaction for the Uair guy would be that dis-similar than the SWA board would be for you. They might really admire you for driving around in the wx in a Cessna-310 to feed your family. That in my humble opinion shows great character. It might just be the push you need during the interview to get hired at any of the carriers.
Well, that said Good luck to you all.
Oh, by the way, I know exactly what it's like to lose my job. So I'm speaking from experience. And I know it's not an easy pill to swallow.
Jim
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UAL, I was shot down back in 2001, I called and asked them how I could better myself for a future interview. Within two weeks on a Sunday I got a call back and was told where my week points were. I greatly appreciated that call and know now why I want to work for SWA. I have been flying for 23 years and still am working my way into their door. Good luck UAL and try again. Hope to see you their.
By the way SFR, pull the silver spoon out of your A$$ and try to put yourself in someone else's shoes instead of thinking of your selfish little self. A=hole!
By the way SFR, pull the silver spoon out of your A$$ and try to put yourself in someone else's shoes instead of thinking of your selfish little self. A=hole!
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climbhappy
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so SFR doesn't have free speech?
BHS
your initials say it all ...remove the H and you have what you have.
So one is to think SFR can't speak to the point...It was valid
Where is the silver spoon?
Within your two statements I see a huge mood swing and I'm suppose to as an interviewer think you're stable.
we've got anger , contempt mixed with la-di-frickin-da!
BHS
your initials say it all ...remove the H and you have what you have.
So one is to think SFR can't speak to the point...It was valid
Where is the silver spoon?
Within your two statements I see a huge mood swing and I'm suppose to as an interviewer think you're stable.
we've got anger , contempt mixed with la-di-frickin-da!
SFR
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Frankly, I don't care what any of you say simply because you do not pay my mortgage or any of my bills.
But, I am right about it. If 9-11 never happened, how many of you would be applying to SWA......not many at UAL, DAL, USAir, etc.
You can't ever convince me otherwise!!!!!!
I personally don't think any furloughs should interview ahead of others.
Experience you might say. Get real, all of us (99%) can be trained to fly the 737. It is not that tough fellas. Big deal if you have heavy time, a plane is a plane is a plane.
Good luck to all & I can't wait till I join the recruiting dept.
L8r
But, I am right about it. If 9-11 never happened, how many of you would be applying to SWA......not many at UAL, DAL, USAir, etc.
You can't ever convince me otherwise!!!!!!
I personally don't think any furloughs should interview ahead of others.
Experience you might say. Get real, all of us (99%) can be trained to fly the 737. It is not that tough fellas. Big deal if you have heavy time, a plane is a plane is a plane.
Good luck to all & I can't wait till I join the recruiting dept.
L8r
SFR said:
Of course they would not be applying if they weren't furloughed. The point is your'e an a$$hole about it. I guess you wouldn't apply at those carriers if the tables were turned? I just pray to God you don't and never will work for Southwest because you are not the type we are looking for around here.
Have a great day and I really hope you never find yourself furloughed from what was once a dream job.
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