Was wandering if there is much difference between the two. Are the contracts pretty similar, is there the same amount of growth for the two in the next couple of months. Are they both good to work for?
I just interviewed with both of them in the last 3 weeks. I was much more impressed by piedmont, benifits seemed better, albeit not too much difference between the two. piedmont has a slightly larger fleet with 3 different models of Dash-8's (100,200,&300; They don't have any 400's like there website says, at least no one mentioned them at the interview) and I'm pretty sure they mentioned they were still taking deliveries of more 300's till the summer. I'd lean towards piedmont over allegheny, but both are good companies.
Worked for PDT and I interviewed with ALO. I know a bit about both.
Both are good companies, PDT does have more aircraft and a somewhat varied fleet. They are still getting 300's and will probably never get 400's ( can you say scope clause and Airways is too cheap!).
PDT is from Canada to Florida (and Nassau) and basically a East coast operation.
ALO is also supposed to get more 100's as I have heard. They are basically a north east and some Mid Atlantic operation.
Pay between the 2 is basically the same, contracts are very similar. Both have good contracts with very few differences.
Domiciles are the big difference, most of ALO's are in PA or NY. PDT is in VA, MD, FL.
Senority...both have around the same amount of pilots (give or take), PDT has about 25% lifer's (15 years +). ALO I think is a little higher in lifer's (30%).
Upgrade is about the same at 2 1/2 years.
Growth... I think both will continue to grow. As Airways furloughs and closes routes these wholly owneds will be picking up the slack. Airways finally is taking care of it's wholly owneds more than the contract carriers. All three are getting aircraft and all three are growing, albeit at the expense of mainline but it is good for the wholly owneds!
I think you cannot go wrong with either company. I am not going to recommend one over the other, it will have to be you choice of domiciles and the slight difference in equipment.
Have any recent furloughees interviewed with either Allegheny or Piedmont. Just wondering if they were following through on not asking for resignation of seniority number or if they were still considering furloughed pilots.
Does anyone know if Allegheny or Piedmont require a college degree? I have all the flight time and ratings plus some but have not finished my degree. I am 36 yrs old, so the possibility of staying with a regional/commuter for the long haul is a real possibility at this point in the game for me. Thanks
Piedmont has lately been offering jobs to furloughed pilots with a two year contract. For some this will work like US Airways mainline. Others maybe not such a good idea. We have also taken up some of the other wholly owned furloughed pilots. Bob Trout, Corperate recruiter does prefer college degrees. However it is not unheard of to slip through with the good experiance. We will be swelling our fleet to a total of 72 dash's 200's/300's by the end of the year. present hiring goals sit at 40 upgrades by april. 75 new FO's by april and as needed after that. The training department is in turbo mode taking sim slots from Horizen in washigton and the Bom sims in Toronto to take up slack in the juiced up flow. Things are looking good here right now. RJ discussions are happening again although I have a feeling that Mesa will be getting all the new jets and not us, or any other wholly owned for that matter. But the flying has touched a new high in the company and there is no sign of it slowing down in the near future. Good luck to all
The wholly owns need to keep fighting Airways about the contract carriers getting the RJs. They have all screwed us long enough. Hopefully the new RJ/unification committee will prevent this and dad will eventually disolve their contract. Wishful thinking though.
Allegheny will not require anyone to resign their seniority number. There is no training contract either. (First I've heard about PDT having a training contract - that kinda sucks) Like PDT, ALG is in a growth mode. We are one aircraft short of our pre 9-11 level and will be over 50 aircraft by April. It appears we are starting two classes a month at least for the short term. We are also using the sim in SEA concurrently with using the regular sims in CLT and ATL.
I got's me a job offa from Allegheny with ain't no colage.
I was simply answering the question previously asked in a humorous manner. Some guy thought I was taking a shot at pilots without degrees. I really dont have a degree, and Allegheny, like most Regionals do not require it. I apologize if this person could not see the humor in my response. His reply is no longer on this site as it was completely inappropriate and I assume removed.
Most airlines however, do require that thier pilots not go off in fits of rage at the drop of a hat. May I suggest some anger managment classes
I had heard that ALG still had furloughs out is that true or have they all been recalled? In referance to the earlier discussed training contract that is only for the people that won't resign their senority numbers. The rest of the straight new hires will not have that requirement. Attached is a short memo released to day relating to this month's avtivity.
*Total newhires in class now is 25
*Total upgrades in class now is 10
*Simulater training will be done in CLT, ATL, and SEA
*Next month there will be 25 newhires
*There are 50 anticipated upgrades in the next 5 months.
*ROA will be built up to approx. 45 crewmembers per seat
(*A New Crew Base Onening in Feb*)
*Right now we have 56 planes on line
*By March we should anticipate 64 total planes on line.
*One -200 will be added and the rest should be -300s
*ORF will be built back up after February
(*Some Lines Are Being Temp Given To ROA To Get It Started*)
*With the ROA maintenance base open, we can handle the maintenance of 72
I believe that all of ALG furloughees have been called back. In fact, there is a new hire class going through now and in a few weeks, a class of ex-ALG pilots will be brought back.
Wish that the airlines requiring you to resign your seniority number would give you the option to do so OR sign a training contract. Vanguard, from what I've reaad, makes you do both. Talk about taking another punch below the belt. Guess the airlines can pretty much do what they want.
my wife wants to know when I'm going to get another job
Indeed all pilots at ALG have been recalled. In fact there have been THREE classes since, with a fourth class starting next week. When this fourth class arrives, we will have over thirty pilots in some phase of training. We have already had at least three ex-ALG furloughed mainline pilots come through training this past week. They still have their mainline number intact. I'm sure there are more coming.
Whatever you do, if you get hired and go to ALG stay away from ABE, it's A__hole central.
If your lucky enough to get hired by both and have a choice then here is my 2 cents. Go to PDT.
They both have the same contract (as said above) with minor diffs. but for the most part the same. Both pay and benni from day one and put you up for training. (which is way better that the pay for your job commuters and majors out there - yes I said majors Jet Boy)
You will make 33 to 36 (including Per diem) first year. I have almost 3 at ALG and made 43714 as an FO last year and it would have been more if not for the dune coons back in sept.
PDT has a few more aircraft and the 200's are a blast to fly (so I've been told). They also fly the islands. You should go there just for that. Their bases are better too. I'd take SBY, ORF/PHF, ROA, TPA, EWN, JAX any day over ABE (see first line), MDT, SCE, BGM, or SYR.
ALG like PDT is very senior. Guys with 30 25 20 and 15 years here. The top 150 out of 440 have been here 15 or more.
I've never run into an A__hole PDT capt. (but I bet they have a few) however Allegheny has them in spades. Dont get me wrong I can get along with them but It doesn't make the 4 day fun.
A final note: FA's. It seems that ALG hires 40 something, divorced 2 plus times, smoking 2.5 packs-a-day, cursing like a sailor women that hate men and life. PDT FA's on the other hand are alway nice, blonde, hot, and happy. It seems that whenever we get a hottie here at ALG she leaves for PDT anyway. (M. V. please come back, I (we) miss you chickie. I can show you my fish tank -wink,wink)
Just My 2 cents. If anyone wants any more info let me know.
Please don't get me wrong, I LUV my job and like ALG (you just need a good attitude here). I'm happy to still be employed and feel for every pilot on the street.
We have some pretty cool people to fly with at Piedmont. The domiciles seem to be better than ALG and the places we fly will get you alot of different scenery.
And the "lifers" that where mentioned before are cool people too, I havn'e seen many bad attitudes as far as who your flying with on a trip.
And we have the 3 types of Dash's WITH APU's I might add not that its a big deal or anything, just makes it nice.
I might be a little biased but, I would definitely consider PDT between the two becuase of the diversity of flying and a large spectrum of domiciles which will come in handy if you are from the south or the north.
Also if you havn't flown the Dash before, its pretty fun when not at cruise of course. I come out of flying jets and I'm still having a good time becuase it reminds me of a SuperCub, no lie.
Syr is your best bet. They seem to be expanding sce at this time. the 2 most junior are syr and bgm. there is talk of another base (bwi/phl?) but as usual we will be the last to know and I wouldn't believe till I see it.
For thoes who ask about RJ's my answer is who the f_ck knows. Personally I don't care. I like the dash and the routes/flying we do. The cockpit is big roomy and quiet. It's built better than the jungle crap chicken jet. It pays me more than RJ boy too. Its the best turboprop ride out there along with the atr.
I can only speak for ALG. I have worked here for over 13 years. I would encourage you to work for PDT. The problem with ALG is it's management. They do not care about their employees. Since sept. 11, they have been systematically cutting our pay. If it looks like you will go over 30 hours in a seven day period they will change your schedule prior that day just to keep from paying you. They may add time to your schedule and when you are 30/7, They will send you home and not pay you for rest of your schedule. If you talk to our company reps, They will tell you we our the highest paid pilots. What they don't tell you is that they will do everything in there power not to pay you what the contract, That they are telling you is so "GREAT", say's you are to be paid. The training dept. is the worst in the industry. The faa is always on ALG butt for traing errors.
My advice is to go to work for PDT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!