1500 Hours required to be in an airine cockpit

[luckytohaveajob]

Legislation just passed. Will be signed by the president shortly.

Legislation reauthorizes FAA funding till Sept. 2010 and include permanent safety changes the FAA has failed to implement on its own.

The Colgan accident has finally served the greater good of all and produced something beneficial. Thank you to the Colgan families who efforts have benefited us all at their great expense and loss.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703578104575398291351735012.html

 

[huncowboy]

I am trying to find a link to the actual language. I have time on my hands to read. Anyone?

 

[bandit110]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-5900

 

[Crzipilot]

It's in there....doesn't go into effect for 3 years.....and ATP requirements to change so as to substitute Classroom study for X amount of hours......so Pilot mills still safe...

SEC. 216. FLIGHT CREWMEMBER SCREENING AND QUALIFICATIONS.

(a) Requirements-

(1) RULEMAKING PROCEEDING- The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall conduct a rulemaking proceeding to require part 121 air carriers to develop and implement means and methods for ensuring that flight crewmembers have proper qualifications and experience.


(2) MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS-

(A) PROSPECTIVE FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that prospective flight crewmembers undergo comprehensive preemployment screening, including an assessment of the skills, aptitudes, airmanship, and suitability of each applicant for a position as a flight crewmember in terms of functioning effectively in the air carrier’s operational environment.


(B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--

(i) have obtained an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and


(ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.





(b) Deadlines- The Administrator shall issue--

(1) not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, a notice of proposed rulemaking under subsection (a); and


(2) not later than 24 months after such date of enactment, a final rule under subsection (a).



(c) Default- The requirement that each flight crewmember for a part 121 air carrier hold an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, shall begin to apply on the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act even if the Administrator fails to meet a deadline established under this section.


SEC. 217. AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT CERTIFICATION.

(a) Rulemaking Proceeding- The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall conduct a rulemaking proceeding to amend part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, to modify requirements for the issuance of an airline transport pilot certificate.


(b) Minimum Requirements- To be qualified to receive an airline transport pilot certificate pursuant to subsection (a), an individual shall--

(1) have sufficient flight hours, as determined by the Administrator, to enable a pilot to function effectively in an air carrier operational environment; and


(2) have received flight training, academic training, or operational experience that will prepare a pilot, at a minimum, to--

(A) function effectively in a multipilot environment;


(B) function effectively in adverse weather conditions, including icing conditions;


(C) function effectively during high altitude operations;


(D) adhere to the highest professional standards; and


(E) function effectively in an air carrier operational environment.




(c) Flight Hours-

(1) NUMBERS OF FLIGHT HOURS- The total flight hours required by the Administrator under subsection (b)(1) shall be at least 1,500 flight hours.


(2) FLIGHT HOURS IN DIFFICULT OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS- The total flight hours required by the Administrator under subsection (b)(1) shall include sufficient flight hours, as determined by the Administrator, in difficult operational conditions that may be encountered by an air carrier to enable a pilot to operate safely in such conditions.



(d) Credit Toward Flight Hours- The Administrator may allow specific academic training courses, beyond those required under subsection (b)(2), to be credited toward the total flight hours required under subsection (c). The Administrator may allow such credit based on a determination by the Administrator that allowing a pilot to take specific academic training courses will enhance safety more than requiring the pilot to fully comply with the flight hours requirement.


(e) Recommendations of Expert Panel- In conducting the rulemaking proceeding under this section, the Administrator shall review and consider the assessment and recommendations of the expert panel to review part 121 and part 135 training hours established by section 209(b) of this Act.


(f) Deadline- Not later than 36 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall issue a final rule under subsection (a).

 

[Crzipilot]

So essentially, get 1500 hrs in difficult flying scenarios related to air carrier flying....OR pay Riddle or ATPs or whomever 100k to get the classroom or experience... Regionals will be safe, and the owners of the pilot mills will make more money for those that want to fly for the airlines......

 

[atpcliff]

If I read it correctly:
Crew Rest/Duty/Flight rules will change within ONE year max, and apply to ALL PILOTS.
This means more pilots will be needed, especially at the regional airlines...

ATP required for all -121 pilots, and will include a 1500 hour min, reduceable, and more training than what is required now for ATP....3 years until ATP required.

 

[xanderman]

So essentially, get 1500 hrs in difficult flying scenarios related to air carrier flying....OR pay Riddle or ATPs or whomever 100k to get the classroom or experience... Regionals will be safe, and the owners of the pilot mills will make more money for those that want to fly for the airlines......

Exactly! I get the feeling not much has been fixed here. Kinda like the new health care... Everybody should have health care so we'll just mandate it! Who benefits? Well the people of course... Oh! And the insurance companies...

 

[OPECJet]

If I read it correctly:
Crew Rest/Duty/Flight rules will change within ONE year max, and apply to ALL PILOTS.
This means more pilots will be needed, especially at the regional airlines...

ATP required for all -121 pilots, and will include a 1500 hour min, reduceable, and more training than what is required now for ATP....3 years until ATP required.

You read it correctly, but you'll be able to get an ATP with less than 1500 hours if you go to a puppy mill. Typical gooobermit lip service BS!

Also, don't forget to inspect the language where your disciplinary record, check airman comments, etc all are now public record, and the airline you interview with next will know about the time you checked in for a trip 15 minutes late.

This could be negative, and far reaching. Especially since it does nothing to curb the puppy mills.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Barriers to entry!

1500 hours required or $200k. The Multi-pilot License will be given credit to qualify for "MPL" ATP. Cost will drastically increased. 250 hours in Level D Full Motion simulators at $500 an hour would be $125k for simulator time alone. MPL programs would cost over $200k at a puppy mill.

And in addition the 1500 hours can not be flight instructor time but in difficult operational conditions.

(2) FLIGHT HOURS IN DIFFICULT OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS- The total flight hours required by the Administrator under subsection (b)(1) shall include sufficient flight hours, as determined by the Administrator, in difficult operational conditions that may be encountered by an air carrier to enable a pilot to operate safely in such conditions.

The bar has been raised. The hiring frenzy of unqualified pilots will stop. And the reward of pay from the airlines for new hires will increase as a result of their professional qualities and credentials.

 

[mdf]

Not to get off track, but how come 3 years till the ATP is necessary? They enacted age 65 right away.