121 drivers- legal??

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350DRIVER

Hello to all once again-

Quick question - Is it "legal" or "allowed" to jumpseat on 121 carriers as a part 135 pilot NOT on the so called "magic" list that most 121 carriers have that states carriers who "CAN" jumpseat on them???

I have "heard" from some people/pilots that as long as I have my company photo ID that states FAA air carrier certificate number, hire date, employee number along with my medical I "can" jumpseat on some 121 carriers even though we are not on that "list".....- any truth to this???

Some have said its the captains call NOT the ticket/gate agents call??
I met a 747 cargo driver and he says "no problem"- I am welcome any time BUT I dunno if this is/should be allowed.....

Any insight would be greatly appreciated since I don't want to try something that could get me into any trouble....


thx ahead for the heads up....
 

717driver

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These "lists" you refer to are a company thing; but not like ops specs that are enforceable by the FAA. They are more of a guideline as to which carriers have specific reciprocating agreements with other carriers. At some companies, a pilot could get in trouble for allowing pilots from other than listed carriers to jumpseat. In six months at my current carrier, I have yet to see any list, though I have heard of one.

The worst thing to happen will be you getting denied the seat.
 

justApilot

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Several years ago you would be able to ride on UA. The nonsked 135 guys were the lowest in priority. Good luck post sept 11 in finding anyone with a lax jumpseat.
 
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350DRIVER

" " These "lists" you refer to are a company thing; but not like ops specs that are enforceable by the FAA" " - - -

BUT it seems like the ticket/gate agents can and would get on a "power" or ego trip to deny a 135 guy the jumpseat IF the 135 operator is "not" on that magic list.....??then what could one do > request to speak to captain after being denied once @ gate may just add fuel to the fire ......dunno though!!

I was just curious about other 135 guys trying to do this..


thx again
 

flint4xx

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My airline maintains a list that is updated frequently on who we allow to jumpseat. A few 135 operators are on it. ( The big names). You won't get on any of our aircraft if your company isn't on the list. Sorry.
 

skydiverdriver

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Our operations manual states that we cannot let anybody ride who is not on our list. I wish it were not true, but I have heard that getting on the list isn't difficult.
 

starchkr

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As a 135 guy who has jumpseated a few times, i have to say that before 9/11 it was probably possible to get on without being on the list. Now however, i don't think it is very easily done.

For instance, we used to have probably the most lax rider options that i have ever heard of. All you had to do was call and get on our list, no matter who you worked for as long as you had a company I.D. and your lic. and medical. Unfortunately that has changed. We are only allowed to carry those pilots from our reciprocal list until further notice. I have a feeling that it is that way throughout the industry, but i am sure there are some out there who would probably let you on.
 
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