XJT negotiations update

FightingIrish

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The negotiating committee met with management yesterday and management was willing to negotiate a non concessionary contract with improvements. Management wants this done by May and wants to take advantage of opportunities. Everyone was willing to start passing proposals, except the LXJT side. They said they won't be ready to negotiate until June.

LXJT former MEC chair is still involved and still delaying as before. He is trying to use the same tactics that CAL used during their SLI with United. The plan is to delay negotiations so as to delay the SLI. The hope is that the ASA side will park lots of 50 seaters and they will get a better award from the arbitrator. This has been verified by 3 different ASA MEC members and they are pissed.

This is a very dangerous game the LXJT MEC is playing.
 

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Anyway, it doesn't make sense. The LXJT side is also losing dozens of aircraft.
 

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No different from the previous three years. You'll show Inc who's boss, right?
 
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Oakum_Boy

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Hold up. The SLI will be decided on a snapshot taken at the date of the corporate merger, right?
 

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No different from the previous three years. You'll show Inc who's boss, right?
Doesn't involve your 'precious' SKYW let alone a friggin disp, and yea, we'll be taking advantage just like mgt does when they're holding all the cards.
 

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Doesn't involve your 'precious' SKYW let alone a friggin disp, and yea, we'll be taking advantage just like mgt does when they're holding all the cards.


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No different from the previous three years. You'll show Inc who's boss, right?

Each time we say no, it's inc who comes crawling back. Happened after the first time we said no to their buyout attempt and it's happening now after voting down the TA. The first time JA said to us, ok we'll see you in 6-9 months in bk court. This time they said we would just have a static fleet plan and shrink to nothing if we vote no. Both times they came back singing a different tune.
 

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Each time we say no, it's inc who comes crawling back. Happened after the first time we said no to their buyout attempt and it's happening now after voting down the TA. The first time JA said to us, ok we'll see you in 6-9 months in bk court. This time they said we would just have a static fleet plan and shrink to nothing if we vote no. Both times they came back singing a different tune.
I'm just busting some balls, but the transfer of aircraft without taking pilots with them has already started. So JA wasn't kidding there.
 

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Allow the current LXJT CPA's to expire then the next day sign new ones and award them to LASA.
 

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I'm just busting some balls, but the transfer of aircraft without taking pilots with them has already started. So JA wasn't kidding there.
That's thanks to the mecs who allowed the changes to the TPA.
 
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I'm just busting some balls, but the transfer of aircraft without taking pilots with them has already started. So JA wasn't kidding there.

Aircraft whose term expires per their respective CPAs don't count. Is that what you are talking about?
 

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Aircraft whose term expires per their respective CPAs don't count. Is that what you are talking about?
Yes, the 50 seaters that come off agreement at ASA are being returned to the third party, then Skywest is taking delivery of some of them from the third party. About 2 per month have been leaving the ASA side. I don't know how many of them are winding up at Skywest.
 

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Yes, the 50 seaters that come off agreement at ASA are being returned to the third party, then Skywest is taking delivery of some of them from the third party. About 2 per month have been leaving the ASA side. I don't know how many of them are winding up at Skywest.

If it's allowed per the CPAs those CRJs were operating under, then it's kosher.
 

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Negotiating Committee Update

18 April 2014

This week the JNC had our first meeting with the Company and our NMB-assigned mediator to begin the second round of JCBA negotiations. As discussed in Thursday?s Nexus, the meeting consisted of initial status updates, a discussion of polling data, initial goals, and future planning. Our next meeting is scheduled for mid-June, where full proposals are expected to be exchanged.

We have received some questions from pilots that indicate there is misinformation in circulation about the content and results of the meeting on Wednesday. The facts of the meeting are as follows:

? ALPA presented the Company with selected information from the polling data regarding pilot perceptions of the condition of the Company, pilot opinions of management, and general expectations for a new JCBA.
? The parties discussed shortcomings of previous communications efforts and how each side intends to better explain the process and the outcome to pilots.
? The parties discussed current operational problems and contract compliance issues. The Company acknowledged that the pilots need to see results in these areas and is working to make that a reality.
? ALPA clearly stated that concessions of any kind in the JCBA are not acceptable.
? The Company acknowledged that improvements must be made to the failed agreement; a reorganization of the failed JCBA?s overall value would not work.
? The Company asked to begin negotiations as soon as possible.
? The parties committed to continue the negotiations process without delay.
? The parties mutually agreed on the June dates for exchange of full proposals.

While a waiting until June to continue is not ideal, several important factors contributed to this decision:

? Developing an opening proposal is a complex and important task. Openers set the tone for a negotiating process, and just like a first impression you only get one chance. Because we will be developing new proposals and not just rehashing the terms of the failed JCBA, this will take more time.
? The online survey of the pilot group is still in progress, and proposals cannot be developed until analysis of the survey is complete. If you have yet to do so, please take the survey now.
? The two MECs have yet to meet together to discuss specific JNC guidance for negotiations and to determine a single position on new JCBA issues. We will not present openers to the Company until our positions have been vetted and approved by both MECs.
? There is currently a recall vote in Council 176, and the XJT MEC strongly believes that a decision on openers must be delayed until that process is complete so the pilots of 176 are properly represented.

In negotiations as in flying, rushing tends to produce mistakes. The members of the JNC represent all XJT pilots, not just their legacy group. We will do everything possible to ensure that negotiations produce a JCBA TA which meets the expectations of all 4000 pilots of ExpressJet.
 

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They can do whatever they want. I don't care aymore. I am still operating under an archaic substandard contract. I am so inspired and heartened by my colleagues who stood up and said they want more and will not take less. They can shrink these bitches as far as they want. I am not playing along. Call me a hater. You will bring a smile to my face.
 
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