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I'm going to say it when I have even the slightest hint that one of you guys are on, and "with me" also!
 
You forgot.."with your wife at 6000"

Which flight school?
My money is on SIU. Although it was probably "with y'all".

W



midlifeflyer said:
"Hello."
"How dee do?"
"I have a great mortgage rate for you!"
"In the air"
"Sitting down"
"In an airplane"
"Hi there big boy"
"Grow your penis today"
"FYI"
"Laser Cartridge Refills

and that all time classic

"uhhhh"

which, of course, is what "with you" is really the equivalent of. Filler when you can't think of anything relevant to say. Nothing really "wrong" with it, but an unnecessary crutch. The only time I really got huffy about it was when I saw it on a flight school's handout of recommended communication technique.
 
BushwickBill said:
Im not saying its wrong or right. I have been scolded for saying "with you" by senior flight instructors and FAA checkairmen. Then when I finally got out of the habbit I started flying right seat in the 525. Then I was scolded for saying "level 320" and was specifically told to say "with you" again.

So I'm pretty confused at the moment about the whole thing. Keep in mind the guys flying the 525 seem to be very competent much more so than anyone else I have flown with. They also are very correct about saying stuff like "PD one zero thats ten thousand". We also say Center but not which one and say Norcal without saying approach. No controller seems to care very much.

That right there is pretty f***ed up. I don't blame you for being confused. While I know I am right, and many others here obviously agree with me, I'm pretty sure the Captain, Chief Pilot, or Check Airman trump the message board. When you're the captain, do it the right way. Until then, saying "with you" isn't going to crash the plane.
 
pilotmiketx said:
That right there is pretty f***ed up. I don't blame you for being confused. While I know I am right, and many others here obviously agree with me, I'm pretty sure the Captain, Chief Pilot, or Check Airman trump the message board. When you're the captain, do it the right way. Until then, saying "with you" isn't going to crash the plane.

Reality always seems to trump the message board. :) I feel better about being confused though, thanks.
 
BushwickBill said:
Then I was scolded for saying "level 320" and was specifically told to say "with you" again.


Did you ask them why they objected to you saying "level 320" when you are doing it *exactly* the way the AIM recommends you make your initial call?

AIM 5-3-1 b2

2. The following phraseology should be utilized by pilots for establishing contact with the designated facility:​
(a) When operating in a radar environment: On initial contact, the pilot should inform the controller of the aircraft's assigned altitude preceded by the words "level," or "climbing to," or "descending to," as appropriate; and the aircraft's present vacating altitude, if applicable.
EXAMPLE-
1. (Name) CENTER, (aircraft identification), LEVEL (altitude or flight level).
2. (Name) CENTER, (aircraft identification), LEAVING (exact altitude or flight level), CLIMBING TO OR DESCENDING TO (altitude of flight level).​
 
My CP doesn't like "Level" either. I think that's BS. AIM or not, seems to be a good idea to let ATC know you're not still climbing or descending in case there was a screw up with the altitude. Although it might be a little redundant since if you're not level you would be reporting your present altitude and then altitude climbing or descending to.
 
I typically leave off the "level" part.

If I'm climbing/descending, I'll let them know.

"Approach, good afternoon, cessna 1234X 8 thousand 4 hundred descending 4 thousand Charlie"

not 8 point 4 for 4...which looks like 8.444 in my mind...

But if I'm level at 5,000 I'll just say "Approach, Cessna 1234X 5,000"

Seems to be alright...might start with the "level" again...didn't reailze that was correct even if not in the "Flight level's". Good info...thanks!

-mini
 
minitour said:
I typically leave off the "level" part.

If I'm climbing/descending, I'll let them know.

"Approach, good afternoon, cessna 1234X 8 thousand 4 hundred descending 4 thousand Charlie"

not 8 point 4 for 4...which looks like 8.444 in my mind...

But if I'm level at 5,000 I'll just say "Approach, Cessna 1234X 5,000"

Seems to be alright...might start with the "level" again...didn't reailze that was correct even if not in the "Flight level's". Good info...thanks!

-mini
Exactly what I do. Seems "ok". I've yet to be reamed by ATC for phraseology.

ALTHO, I think, sometime last week I had a brainfart and said standy after they told me to standby... :idiot:
 

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