Regionals hiring and foreigners

buckdanny

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Hi,

I have a questions for you people who already made it to the regionals.

A couple of days ago I ran into my former flight instructor who's swedish and now flies for a regionals. He told me that most airlines are now in debates to hire ONLY US citizens. It completely surprised me because of the legal aspects that involve such a discriminatory rule, unless of course the airline has governemt contracts requiring citizenship among its workforce.

My question is, did anybody hear such a thing? It worries me, because I came to the US 6 years for college, flying is a passion at heart and I am just about to get my permanent residency which is the first door for me to open in order to make it. Thanks for any input on that subject matter!

Alex :confused:
 

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Are you trying to become a US citizen? Why do you think it's discriminatory for a US company to hire a only US citizens? Buddy, you are lucky to even be in the USA right now. You're complaining that as a foreigner, because you spent 6 years here on a student visa you deserve a job. That is re-god-**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**-diculous, especially with 7000 AMERICAN pilots out of work. Do me, and every other hard working American a big favor… Either join the team, or take what you learned here and go back and make Sweden a better place.
 

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There is a new rule that requires the feds to do background checks on all non-US Citizens that go for advanced training such as type ratings. A 45 day waiting period is required so they can complete their check

Not many employers can afford to hire someone and let them sit at home for 45 days before they start class at Flight Safety. This may be part of the reason why many regionals and corporate flight departments are shying away from non-citizens.

I dont see how this is discriminatory but either way I have to agree with the previous poster's argument that there are far too many american pilots out of work to be giving jobs away to overseas pilots
 

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Alex

Ignore this A$$hole MYFPilot.

I assure you that Americans with his attitude are definitely in the minority. It's guys like him that make the rest of the world think that Americans are narrow minded people who know nothing about the rest of the world.

Regional airlines will not discriminate against you as long as you have the right to live and work in the US. Once your permanent residency comes through you'll have as much of a chance as any of us.
 

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Dude, I'm not trying to start world war three here... I want to join the team more than anything else, and if I some day have the chance to become a citizen you can believe that I will be as much patriotic as everybody else in this nation. And yes, I do hope we get all those idiots from 09/11 just like all other 7000 pilots do.

To answer your question, I don't want to have a job or citizenship served to me on a tray because I spent 6 years in the country. I want to DESERVE what I'm asking for, it's what we all call paying our dues, isn't it? What I'm asking for is equality between all of us who are legaly here and seeking the same goals. We're all bound by a passion of flying, which will take us all over the world. Why making nationality a difference?

Ps: I'm not swedish
 

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Flydog and DC10,

Thanks for your replies, they are encouraging. I understand more now what the problem is with the required background checks, and I agree that an airline does not necessarily want to wait the 45 days...

About the 7000 unemployed pilots and the whole situation in general, it os only temporary, everybody knows it. It's just a slow time that should last a year or 2, according to most experts.. I have faith that it will pick up soon for all of us, good luck to everyone!

Alex
 

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DC-10 must be a foriegner.

Natural Americans should have priority. We are not in a shortage.
 

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Citizen vs. resident

Sometime I wince when I read posts on this board,


Natural Americans should have priority
What the he11 is a "natural" american? Does this have something to do with being a vegan?

Do me, and every other hard working American a big favor… Either join the team, or take what you learned here and go back and make Sweden a better place.
Uh, that is what he is trying to do, he is establishing his residency here. Applicants have always had to be U.S. residents, not citizens. It would be completely illegal to offer employment opportunities (or deny those opportunities) based soley on citizenship

What is wrong with someone moving here from a different country and jumping through all of the hoops in an attempt to gain permanent residency here? Isn't there a tall women made out of steel and copper on the east coast welcoming this type of behavior?
 

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What is wrong with someone moving here from a different country and jumping through all of the hoops in an attempt to gain permanent residency here? Isn't there a tall women made out of steel and copper on the east coast welcoming this type of behavior?

Absolutely nothing, I agree with the above 100%
IMHO, if you are going to live here you should make an attempt to go beyond just permanent residency or a green card and become a citizen of the United States of America. Until that time I don't think it's discriminatory for an airline to refuse to hire you. I'm sure it's the same way in other countries as well. If I went to school in England or France for 6 years then tried to get a job with British Airways or Air France do you think they would hire me?
 

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MYFpilot,

Unfortunately it's not as easy as you would think to get naturalized in the US, it take a tremendous amount of time because it requires to be a permanent resident for 5 years. That's why the law says a permanent resident has the same rights as a US citizen when it comes to employment. As a matter of fact, becoming a permant resident is way much harder than getting citizenship a few years later. When a foreigner comes in this country, follows the law, marries an american woman for love and not interest, then gets to be a resident, why wouldn't he be able to work in his field until being a citenzen? In Europe it is actually a lot easier to establish residency than here, and yes, you would probably get a job with the local airlines if you go work your way up just like the locals... I've seen it happening.

I'm sorry if my first post started a misunderstanding, I did try to imply that I wanted my residency for granted. I was simply asking a question about what was going on. Now if avoiding a 45 days background check is the reason airlines will set up such a rule, I think it is sick: even citizens will do crazy stuff at the controls, we saw that in Florida not too long ago. IMHO, EVERYONE getting a job with an airline should have a background check, period. I am pretty sure that some terrorists are still in the country, and are also citizen....

Alex
 

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Foreigners?

Grow up Myfpilot,
It sounds that you are little frusterated.
(maybe flown to many turns around a point)
Just remember that there are a lot of US pilots flying for foreign
airlines as well, Like: Singapore,Korean,
Air Japan,BA,KLM,Emirates,Cathy,CargoLux etc.etc.ect........
My American wife and kids will also enjoy your statements.
And the fact that there are a lot of pilots on the street is a global
thing,look at those poor guy's at SwissAir and Sabena.
And if you take a good look around you you will see that things are already looking up.
As for Alex, keep building your time and good luck.And those background checks are coming back pritty quick ,mine did.

Mark (Dutch and permanent resident tax paying alien)
 

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Anybody that things foreigners have a tough time getting airline jobs in the US should try getting on with a European carrier. Converting foreign to US airmen licenses is relatively easy but the other way around is a lengthy and expensive process.

For a US pilot to obtain an ICAO ATP-L the process is pretty much doing all your ratings over again along with a dozen writtens regardless of wether you have 1500 or 20,000 hrs. Its a bunch of BS but thats how they keep the foreigners (us) out and ensure job security for their citizens.
 

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This is maybe not the right medium to continue this,but.....
It is a different mentality in Europe vs here in the US.
In Europe they think you need a lot off theoretical knowledge and a little practical knowledge,so you'll find a FO on a 737 with 350hrs total time. Compaired to here in the US you need at least a min. of 1500hrs., if not more.
And you got to admit this , that the FAA writen tests are a joke,
my senile grandma could pass those by just studying the questions.
So it isn't done to keep the Americans out it is the same north of the border. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with it
just a differance of mentality.(You could argue it both ways)
And on an other note. After WW2 flocks of American pilots where flying for the European carriers and well into the1970's that was quite normal.
Marc (JAR CPL/FAA ATP)
 

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Buckdanny, don't worry about regionals not looking at you once you do get the permanent resident card. Most of the regionals only care about whether you can legally work in the US and care more about you as a person and a crewmember.

Regarding your last statement about all airline pilots should go though background checks, well all airline pilots, whether they are citizens or not, get background checks. I've been through 3 in the last year and most of the time background checks are done before you even arrive for ground school.

There maybe a more indepth check if you are not a citizen in the future. But don't sweat it to much.
 

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Hey myfpilot;

Unless you are an Native American Indian, Than you too are a foreigner!
So, stick your condescending ahole attitude in your back pocket!
It's guys like you that make cockpits such colorful places at times.
 

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to mr myf pilot i cant believe what i read. ok you want every country to hire thier naturally born only, then your gonna have a lot more more than 7000 pilots out of work, just in africa asia how many pilots do you think are out there. and forget central and south america were there are us pilots with dual citizenships.
first of all you sould get your trailer park mentality out of your white trash mind. have you everv heard of globalization, star alliance, what the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** is that, of course all you do is eat hot dogs and sloppy joes and what college footbal, que with the program buddy
 

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to mr guam where is your mama and papa from or your grandparents. if you want only natural born citizens it will be recipricle with other countris and then will be srewed , how stupid can you get just do the numbers.
 

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No such thing as a "Native American Indian". According to conventional wisdom if you go back far enough everybody walked over from Africa.
 

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It's amazing that people with these types of mentalities are flying sophisticated aircraft. For those of you who come to this country to learn how to fly, learn the language, and put up with the attitudes of some (not all) of us, I hope you make it.

-I'll be your wingman:)
 

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I have been flying professionally in the states for the last 6 years and have to say that I have never heard anything so immature .

So for all the "foreign Pilots" starting out I have to say that people with an attitude like our pal here are a huge minority and all the people that I have ever flown or worked with have been the nicest and most professional bunch.

So just keep building the flight time and we shall see you around some time.
 
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