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Sounds like Comair all over again. Best of luck guys. I'd start looking for a new job. No way that is acceptable.
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August 16, 2012
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Thank you for reading this issue of the Pilot Hotline. If you have any questions regarding this hotline, please contact your local representative.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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Update on Revised 1113 Term Sheet
Safety Committee Update
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Update on Revised 1113 Term Sheet* [toc]
The Negotiating Committee, accompanied by MEC Chairman Tom Wychor and ALPA staff from the Representation and Economic & Financial Analysis Departments, met with the company today to receive a revised 1113 term sheet. The full term sheet is attached to this update. While our analysis of the term sheet is just beginning, we are sharing it now so that all pilots can see and understand the demands being made of our pilot group.
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We encourage all pilots to read the entire update, but to briefly summarize the new information presented today:
·******** The total ask of all labor groups has increased from $42.6 million to $76.5 million per year. The pilots’ share increased from $33.2 million to $59.6 million dollars annually.

·******** The term sheet itself includes the entire ask made in May, along with additional reductions in pay rates, changes to pay structure, modifications to cancellation pay, reductions in vacation accrual, reductions in deadhead pay and further changes to the health care plans to provide only a single HRA plan.

·******** The proposed pay scales will be capped at 12 years for captains and 4 years for first officers. Upgrading pilots would start at the first “step” of the captain pay scale regardless of longevity.

·******** The deadline required by the DIP financing agreement for filing a motion in bankruptcy court to reject our collective bargaining agreement has been pushed back to September 13.

Background ******
As you are aware, the Negotiating Committee had been in session with management throughout May and June to work towards a consensual agreement with reference to the prior term sheet. Management withdrew from those negotiations in late June citing a need to revise their business plan in light of the new scope limitations contained in Delta’s collective bargaining agreement with its pilots.
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The company spent the next six weeks performing an internal analysis of the business plan. The company informed us late last week that they would be presenting the new 1113 ask today. The plan presented today is still based on a fleet of 140 CRJ-200s and 41 CRJ-900s in the final “steady state.”
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Term Sheet Summary
The new term sheet contains all of the original demands from the May 8 term sheet, including re-insertion of the provision for 10 days off on reserve that had been removed in the May 18 revision. The total value of the ask increased by 80%, from $33.2 million to $59.6 million.
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The revised term sheet includes demands for additional changes in the following areas:
·******** Pay Rates. The proposal includes significant reductions in pay rates for Captains, ranging (according to the company) from 7 to 24% from current rates. There have also been further reductions in the proposed single First Office rates beyond one year of longevity.

·******** Pay Scales. The company has proposed capping pay for Captains at 12 “steps” and capping First Officer pay at 4 years of service. Moreover, the company is seeking a provision to require pilots who upgrade to begin at “Step 1” Captain pay, no matter their prior longevity as a First Officer (or, for pilots who have been previously downgraded due to a displacement, their time as a Captain). Such a scheme would be unique in our industry.

·******** Cancellation Pay. Replacement of our current leg-by-leg cancellation pay with the guarantee based on the value of a pairing (Trip Guarantee).

·******** Customs Pay. Removal of all customs pay.

·******** Vacation Accrual. For pilots with more than one year of service, vacation accrual would be reduced by one week.

·******** Recurrent Pay.* Pilots will have their recurrent training blocked off in PBS but zero (0) credit will go towards the line credit.** Actual pay for training will remain the same.**

·******** Uniform Allowance. Eliminate uniform allowance.

·******** Per Diem.* Eliminate Per Diem on day trips.

·******** Move benefits.* Eliminate voluntary move benefits.

·******** Reserve Days Off. Reduction of minimum days off for reserve pilots to 10.

·******** Deadhead Pay. Reduction in deadhead pay from 75% to 50%.

·******** Health Care. Instead of the two CDHP plans proposed in the May 8 term sheet, the revised term sheet includes only a single HRA plan, with a 35% pilot contribution.

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Longevity
The company represented throughout the presentation that they believe our pilot group’s average longevity is the main source of their cost problems. Hence, the proposals to reduce vacation accruals, capping longevity steps on Captain payrates and modifications to the 401(k) matches. They have cited, as “comparable” carriers, airlines that did not even exist while some of our pilots were already working to help our own airline to grow. Now, the company is seeking to penalize those pilots for their loyalty through good times and bad.
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To be clear, we fundamentally disagree with the company’s premise. Our longevity patterns compare similarly to other large regionals such as American Eagle, ExpressJet, SkyWest, etc. The fact that our pilots are experienced should be rewarded rather than penalized.
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Our Process and Next Steps
The MEC convened this evening to review the term sheet and share their initial impressions with the Negotiating Committee. The Negotiating Committee, along with the support of ALPA professionals, will now begin the work of analyzing the proposal and the supporting documentation provided by the company to determine the true needs of the company. It remains our goal to reach a consensual agreement on any changes to the JCBA viewed as necessary by the MEC.
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We plan to meet with the company tomorrow and next week to review the term sheet and supporting documentation in more detail.* Additionally, we will continue to work on a letter of agreement regarding upcoming realignment notices.
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The company’s intended deadline for an 1113 motion in the bankruptcy court is now September 13, and, though that deadline has shifted multiple times in the past, we will commit the necessary resources to work productively with the company towards our goal of a pilot-ratified agreement.
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Your Role
Your role as a line pilot in these negotiations (and that’s what they are – the 1113 term sheet is a starting point and not a destination) is to stay informed and stay professional. As we move forward in the process, we will be ramping up our Pilot-2-Pilot and SPC programs so that all pilots have the information they need to make an informed decision when the time comes. We encourage every pilot to show the professionalism that brought us survival during past challenges, success during good times, and will carry us through this bankruptcy.
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Safety Committee Update* [toc]
There is a common misconception held by many pilots that ASAP is only to be used for high-profile events or FAA-known deviations is.* Contrary to popular belief, however, ASAP is a data collection tool to identify latent and active threats to our operation that wouldn't otherwise be known.* The only meaningful way to*effect change on the line*is with the*data that ASAP provides.* No data,*no change.* If you experience*issues with*MELs, dispatch releases and communication or any other "hole in the*Swiss cheese,"*ALPA implores you to ASAP.* **
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The ASAP*ERC has noticed an increase in reports involving pilots not properly reviewing their preflight paperwork. These errors involve missing NOTAMs, taking the wrong aircraft, departing with open write-ups, not having a required alternate airport,*or not properly complying with MEL procedures. *Please take the time to review each detail of your release, the aircraft AML, the aircraft MEL, and your performance data. Although it is primarily the Captain’s responsibility, the First Officer is also responsible for these items.* The ASAP*ERC has also noted a sharp rise in altitude crossing restrictions that are not being met. If you are assigned a crossing restriction that only involves a descent of a few thousand feet, there is no substantial fuel savings accomplished by delaying your descent. Weather and other factors notwithstanding the*ERC highly recommends beginning the descent to the new altitude immediately.
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amcnd

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140-CRJ200's.... Wishfull thinking...
 

Knob

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When has pilots taking paycuts/concessions ever saved a company?
 

Clutch

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Don't know. But it'll eff it up for the rest of us. Thanks pinnacle
 

dbchandler1

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Those demands are ridiculous. Starting over at year one caption rate when you upgrade? Who does that? 35% out of pocket for insurance, people are going to be getting in trouble with that. Pay rate decreases of 7-24%! You might as well leave now cause even a lateral move well put you on top with that garbage.
 

Nevets

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Didn't virgin America have upgrading captains going back to step one?
 

mesaba13

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Let me get this straight. A 7-8 year captain is displaced to fo for two years and then is promoted back to captain but now is on captain step 1?

Yeah right!
 

Jon Rivoli

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Delta provides the debtor in possession financing, then forces them to operate at a loss, now management has to find a way to jam that square peg into a round hole (the one you are sitting on *).

Those 140 200's are heading to the desert. A 41 airplane operation? Worked well for Comair. Shut that bitch down now and save you dignity. Better that than to submit to those proposals and then face the inevitable.

When Delta signed on to provide the debtor in possession financing, that was the poison pill.

Good luck, I hear Delta will be hiring soon.
 

Clutch

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please get a sales job instead of lowering the bar
 

xjhawk

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I was talking to some fellow pilots the other day and they shook their heads at those who will be leaving for the likes of JetBlue.... I would go there in a heartbeat and deal with the Commute. Better anywhere than here. What they are proposing is worse than Go Jets, Mesa-all the bottom feeders. But given our corrupt Judicial system the judge will allow it and not allow us any work actions.
 

blueraider

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Stfd!
 

Max Q

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Leave. Or prove to them that you would be willing to fly a jet AT ALL COSTS.

Either way.
 

pilotyip

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When has pilots taking paycuts/concessions ever saved a company?
how about UAL, NWA, USAir for a few, Bank Ruptcy always produces pay cuts/concessions to save a company.
 

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how about UAL, NWA, USAir for a few, Bank Ruptcy always produces pay cuts/concessions to save a company.
One could argue that none of these companies have been "saved" since none of them exist as stand alone companies as they did prior to their bankruptcies. The bankruptcy in and of itself was not enough.
 

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What a mess... good luck to those at 9E. Don't let them take your soul... think I saw that in the fine print as well. I know a log of 9E guys are bailing for anything they can find. A sidestep to another regional might not be a bad idea. XJT, CommutAir, SkyWest are all hiring as well as some others... hopefully with majors hiring soon, it won't be but a short stop at another regional before moving on.
 

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I was talking to some fellow pilots the other day and they shook their heads at those who will be leaving for the likes of JetBlue.... I would go there in a heartbeat and deal with the Commute. Better anywhere than here. What they are proposing is worse than Go Jets, Mesa-all the bottom feeders. But given our corrupt Judicial system the judge will allow it and not allow us any work actions.
I had some fellow pilots turn their noses up asking why I was leaving Mesaba for jetBlue. The email you just received is the reason why. It was obviously going to happen sooner or later after 9e bought XJ. You cant afford to be picky at this point, go anywhere, even to so called second tier airlines like Spirit and jetblue. They will all be astronomically better than the s*it storm that is 9E. I wish you guys the best.
 
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Master Shake

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Unemployment sounds better then that crap. I hope you guys tell them to piss off.
 

WMUSIGPI

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I was talking to some fellow pilots the other day and they shook their heads at those who will be leaving for the likes of JetBlue.... I would go there in a heartbeat and deal with the Commute. Better anywhere than here. What they are proposing is worse than Go Jets, Mesa-all the bottom feeders. But given our corrupt Judicial system the judge will allow it and not allow us any work actions.
Wrong, we can collectively give T.W. a significant (I know it would never be everyone) stack of resignation letters to hand the judge effective the moment a forced contract is awarded.
 
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