Norwegian Air vs ALPA

[check six]

The Norwegian Air business model to bring in crews at half the price of legacy carriers for transatlantic service tees up the Walmart model for pilot pay vs ALPA (We fight for a decent wage for our pilots) battle.

Looks like you battle millions of customers looking for lower fares vs ALPA defending thousands of pilots decent pay rate.

Is this another Peoples Express flameout in the making or a legit challenge.

Thanks,

Check Six

 

[gutshotdraw]

It's the camel's nose in the tent.

Forty years ago, 10's of thousands of American Merchantmen earned their living plying the oceans of the world. Today, despite there being HUNDREDS more vessels engaged in maritime commerce, only a few hundred Americans earn their living at sea.

It's called "Flag of Convenience" and Norwegian Air is a serious threat to bring the same career-crushing changes to commercial aviation.

 

[waveflyer]

Very much agree with gutshot

And it's not just a battle with alpa-

Every pilot in america needs to be active on this one regardless of representation

 

[General Lee]

I can see the "sham" in all of this, with a Norweigen Airline with an Irish certificate using Thai based pilots and FAs. But I honestly don't see enough pilots out there willing to fly a shiny new 787 for lower pay and benefits, compared to airlines back in their home countries. The World is short on pilots too, not only the US. There is not enough out there to support an airline like Norweigen International (Thai based, not Oslo or Gatwick). Those based in Oslo or London Gatwick are subject to those Countries' laws and healthcare requirements, which are fairly expensive.

Sure, there is a problem, and hopefully Congress will act on the pure ridiculousness of their structure, but I still think a lack of pilots will slow them way down. And long haul LCCs don't seem to do well between Europe and the US anyway.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Yes, everyone. Listen to general lee. He has learned all the lessons the camel's nose in the tent has provided.

There is a worldwide shortage at the moment.
Which is why this model is good timing not bad. If they are patient enough, provide good enough wages to attract with shiny jets and quick seniority, the model takes hold-

Do not let any wage or current struggle for pilots distract from what this model is if let to grow to maturity.
The END of the airline career as we know it.

 

[General Lee]

Yes, everyone. Listen to general lee. He has learned all the lessons the camel's nose in the tent has provided.

There is a worldwide shortage at the moment.
Which is why this model is good timing not bad. If they are patient enough, provide good enough wages to attract with shiny jets and quick seniority, the model takes hold-

Do not let any wage or current struggle for pilots distract from what this model is if let to grow to maturity.
The END of the airline career as we know it.

Wow. Looks like pilot shortages are taking care of many problems. You do know Norweigen lost $122 million last quarter, right? The model of super expensive 787s flying lower fare customers from Norway to Florida and JFK doesn't seem to be catching on yet. Congress will look into this and most likely see the ridiculousness of it's hiring practices. But try to keep your emotions in check Wave.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

RJ's will NEVER do 50% of all domestic departures.

The more I see your posts on things that actually affect our industry, you are such a lapdog. Always talking sideways out of your mouth to devalue the industry.

Your message is one of apathy. Market forces will take care of this? Congress will act on its own?

To the lurkers, who do you believe?think this is worth a letter to your congressmen and union??

 

[Scoot 11]

RJ's will NEVER do 50% of all domestic departures.

The more I see your posts on things that actually affect our industry, you are such a lapdog. Always talking sideways out of your mouth to devalue the industry.

Your message is one of apathy. Market forces will take care of this? Congress will act on its own?

To the lurkers, who do you believe?think this is worth a letter to your congressmen and union??

Wave. You're spot on with this!
100% agree.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Norwegian Air Shuttle, the legit 737 operation IN Norway, by NORWEGIANS, is getting setup for a strike. It appears the Flight Attendant union doesn't like all the outsourcing being proposed at the spinoff Norwegian Air International.

Bjorn has bit off more than he can chew.....says anything to anyone to get this thing off the ground. Threatens Boeing, threatens the EU, threatens his pilots (who walked on him last year), this guy is a scumbag Seaborne lawyer who wants exactly what the cruise ship industry has become.

Call your Congressmen and Senators.....this is where it ends.

(Petition and info)

sos.alpa.org

 

[General Lee]

RJ's will NEVER do 50% of all domestic departures.

The more I see your posts on things that actually affect our industry, you are such a lapdog. Always talking sideways out of your mouth to devalue the industry.

Your message is one of apathy. Market forces will take care of this? Congress will act on its own?

To the lurkers, who do you believe?think this is worth a letter to your congressmen and union??

I never said it wasn't a problem and a letter to your Congressman is a good idea. We can tell the set up (Irish certificate, Norweigen base, Thai based crews) is "unfair", but there are plenty of interesting schemes around the World that don't go to the US, and there are interesting contracts for pilots via questionable agencies. Welcome to the real World. This ain't El Paso. Hopefully our Congress keeps their current form away from the US, but that doesn't mean they'll go away, they would just have to comply with local and Intl laws. You yourself need to stop getting so emotional.



Bye Bye---General Lee