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CE750Driver

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Netjets pilots are not your enemys. We are asking for and will not accept anything less that what NJI has. How can the company claim we woud go out of business to pay us more, then on the other hand pay another section of the company in this manner. NJI flys from home, I thought this would break the company? Really, ask yourselves why is there a split here?

You ask why one of our MEC would not sign a non-disclosure form. This union has said they always will keep the lines of comunication truthful and OPEN. The fact that this man would not sign it, even though it would make him look bad to some people, should show you the resolve and INTEGRITY of this man. A man of lesser character may have broken, signed it, and broke his promise to the pilot group. I applaud him. You should too.

You ask why we will not believe the chosen books provided by management, when they do not contain much of the truth. Does it show the 57 dollar quarts of oil at our own facilties, does it show the overpricing that FlightSafety charges Netjets? That money goes from one BKS pocket to another. Is that money shown on the profit line. Who insures our airplanes? Is it a BKS company? Are they competitive rates or is money shifting pockets there too? What about the money customers pay up front for engine reserves, they pay up front and the engines are done every 4 or 5 years. What is the interest on that amount of money? Is it shown on the profit line? How bout the loans to NJE? Are they paying them back? With Interest? A zero interest loan would save the company millions wouldnt it? Would that be shown on the profit line?
There are so many more examples. Can you honestly tell me that this isnt happening? If so, you are naive.

You ask why we would take this job and yell about the pay 7 years later. I took this job to build time and leave. RTS spoke at Hamilton road in my first year. Yes Brideway was not even a dream then. He told me and about 100 pilots directly, that he would make this the place to be in aviation. He told us he realized the pay was low and it would change. He spoke with such conviction, I, and a lot of pilots belevied him. ITS BEEN 7 YEARS. Time for him to put up or shut up. I have done my part to keep this gorrilla growing. It is his turn. Is he the type of man that will go back on his word? Does he have half the integrity our union leadership does? We will find out.

Alot of you have become unwitting pawns the company is using against the pilots. This is sad. Believe half what you hear from management and realize even the true parts will be spun. Please keep posting your questions, but with the tone that is used most of the time, its hard to believe that you dont see why most pilots see it as flame.
 
CE750 Driver

Great post! That's about it.
 
CE750Driver said:
I took this job to build time and leave.

And you have no one to blame but yourself. Now that I presume you have your time, move on to a better place if this is what will make you happy. We live in a country where we are free to work where we want.



As for settling for nothing less than what NJI has; try flushing your union and give that a shot. I saw an interesting figure in my 1996 college book on labor relations. In 1964, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) represented 33% of working Americans. In 1994, that figure was less than 7%. As you know, NJI pilots are non-union and very content.



The actions of few, unfortunately weigh heavy on the multitude. Law Suits, Scab Lists, Seniority List stable threats and self righteous claims of being superior to all others have left NJA pilots with little support from their fellow corporate pilots and the aviation community as a whole.



Numerous times I have stated only best hopes for your pilot group, but my support, I will hold reserve until I see things evolve further.
 
Listen wolfpack. You can take small sections of my post all day, put it out of context and make snide comments. Thats your right. I am happy with the lifestyle here and believe we will soon have a good wage to go with it. That is why I am staying if you must know. The post was meant to answer some nagging questions the casino workers seem to have, from another side besides management. Not to bring on more nagging by pilots. When it is all said and done, if the money is not there in the end, I will not nag, I will leave.
 
Quite frankly Wolfy - we could care less what your thoughts on the issue are. You're not an employee that this thread was aimed at.
 
'Driver, excellent post! I'd like to add to it, if I may...

Numerous examples of flagrant waste on their tours are routinely sited by pilots. I personally had a pilot recount his conversation with the company in which he made his concerns, as a CPA, known. He was told not to worry about it that the company has deep pockets. Only those who can easily afford to waste money would operate with the inefficiency shown by NJA.

Many pilots joined the company while the contract was under negotiation. They were told at their interview to expect great things from the industry leader. The business model and WB's backing made the "gamble" a logical worthwhile decision. With steady growth in the US and abroad and RS bragging in the NY Times (Tues May 10th) about how high demand is, how can anyone question NJ's ability to pay its bills? Paying the pilots the going rate for their services/skills is nothing more than meeting the cost of doing business. One only has to look at how the company spends its money to know that they can certainly afford fair wages. After all, they are bragging that business is booming and that they have deep pockets! In this area, at least, we can all take them at their word.
 
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CE750Driver said:
Netjets pilots are not your enemys. We are asking for and will not accept anything less that what NJI has. How can the company claim we woud go out of business to pay us more, then on the other hand pay another section of the company in this manner. NJI flys from home, I thought this would break the company? Really, ask yourselves why is there a split here?

It's ironic that the non-union pilots were able to negotiate better compensation, workrules and basing than you could and now you want to force them into your union to share your good deal.

In some ways the Gulfstream guys at NJI are benefiting from pay by weight, but mainly it's just that accross the industry Gulfstream pilots are paid well.

It's interesting that the NJA Boeing pilots have formed their own company with a separate pay scale starting at $135K and make up to $213K for flying a larger aircraft, but you guys never mention that. Really, ask yourselves why is there a split here?
 
It's interesting that the NJA Boeing pilots have formed their own company with a separate pay scale starting at $135K and make up to $213K for flying a larger aircraft, but you guys never mention that. Really, ask yourselves why is there a split here?[/QUOTE]

Because they are pilots off our seniorty list who work under, basically, the same contract. Are you really THAT ignorant?
 
Seaspray said:
It's interesting that the NJA Boeing pilots have formed their own company with a separate pay scale starting at $135K and make up to $213K for flying a larger aircraft, but you guys never mention that. Really, ask yourselves why is there a split here?

CE750Driver said:
Because they are pilots off our seniorty list who work under, basically, the same contract. Are you really THAT ignorant?


If you really believe that you need to talk to Stevie G and the boys from Bradley at the bar some night.
 
NJAFracPilot said:
If you really believe that you need to talk to Stevie G and the boys from Bradley at the bar some night.

Im looking at the senority list and it shows our boys flying the Boeings. Pm me if you have different info or if Stevie told you something different.
 

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