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[doh]

Two transfers. AM and TS. That says enough right there.

One a certain sergeant from Hogan’s Heroes fame? And the other a certain cherry found in the classic Manhattan cocktail?

 

[Imissmypilot]

One a certain sergeant from Hogan’s Heroes fame? And the other a certain cherry found in the classic Manhattan cocktail?

I wonder how they'll take it to hear their Flexjet 1/3 of the crew has been helping to scramble their reputations over the past 48 hours.

Fricking nightmare of circumstances for them. Pressured into unsafe decisions and then trashed for their compliance.

 

[jetmaster727]

Look I'm no company man but this has nothing to do with the company. This is about ****ty pilots, that's all!

 

[dime line]

Look I'm no company man but this has nothing to do with the company. This is about ****ty pilots, that's all!

Arm chair quarterback much, Ricci told you that your way better than the lowly FLOPS pilots hu.

 

[jetmaster727]

Arm chair quarterback much, Ricci told you that your way better than the lowly FLOPS pilots hu.

Doesn't matter , Flops or Flex, they made a bad choice. I call it how it is. Don't be a whiner

 

[shanes123]

It’s called Karma BTCHES!!!! How much damage did the plane sustain ????

 

[Bjtdrvr]

I heard just basically blown or trashed tires but needs an in-depth inspection.

 

[EngineThunder]

Flightaware shows it’s in PDX now.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

MX put out the word it's no big deal. One gear swing and it's ready to go.

 

[el raton]

It’s called Karma BTCHES!!!! How much damage did the plane sustain ????

Usually I don’t judge those involved in a mishap because any of us could find us in the same boat... but your’s...it baffled a nation. Yet, somehow, you think this justifies your stupefying decision you made that fateful day.

Do everyone a favor and shut up and go away.
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El raton, after a bit of sleep and some more info I've decided to amrmend my response.

I'm not trying to be a dick but I am still having a hard time understanding why you are so willing to screw the entire union you otherwise support over an ISL where you essentially lost very little in comparison to what could have been. Additionally with more and more attrition and loss of longevity from the transfers it looks like your group (admittedly the only group to lose but overall not horribly) will fare better than expected.

Regarding the incident, I heard the Flops guy called a buddy admitting they were only partially stabilized, knew it but under pressure from both company and passengers to make the schedule. They are in fear for their jobs, as well they should be, and considering reaching out to the union.

If the primary factor was pressure, the union should and will protect these guys. If it was just douchey bravado, I say let them burn. There should be a downside to spitting in the face of the only entity looking out for you. However, the union doesn't take my advice and will provide support if it's asked for either way.

If true (regarding stabilization) that information needs to be spread far and wide. The fast train to the degradation of professionalism will ruin this company faster than uncle's money swindling schemes. We need to realize as the primary commodity this company has we are more in control of the pace of destruction than even KR himself.

In a very ironic twist, the union which protects our right to be professional is the only thing that can save Kenn from Kenn. If you want a company able to employ you in 5 years and afford that nice Red Label cheddar you've been getting that is precisely WHY we need a union: to protect us from the ire of a management team that has zero respect for our professional expertise and input.

And we need that union to not be in Kenn's pocket.

Do you think regardless of the circumstances guys like Wookie, Windbags or Phildo would have your back in a similar position? Absolutely not. They would justify the lack of support by claiming you reap the consequences of your decisions, regardless of the circumstances that lead, incentivize or pressure you into those decisions. I can actually recall at least 2 of them saying this verbatim in the past but they are generals you are going to march behind? They are cowards. To them it is much easier to cower (by refusal to look at the whole picture) than risk uncle's ire. How can you ignore the fact this decertification game is just a straw man to get uncle back in complete control of "his" company.

If you don't want to believe me, get on your precious porn lounge and ask them out of the gate what their game plan to protect these pilots is, right now, regardless of any further information. Maybe I'm wrong and they'll give a stellar (and believable) answer we can get behind but I'm betting they won't.

I feel bad for the crew. I really do. But in a strange way maybe this continual degradation of professionalism and the proven safety risks inherent to the dedicated crew (or limited crew) concept is the best motovation we have had in a long time to get back to the truth of the matters at hand.

Without a doubt we pilots need a union (and a strong cohesive union) not because of money or pride or perks but because we need a strong, cohesive force backing us up against a management team that insists on a market strategy and standard of operations that will ruin our ability to truly exhibit the professionalisn our passengers are depending on.

Your divide and conquer buddies are making some poor and shortsighted decisions. If they truly want what's best for their fellow pilots, company and industry they do not have to reinvent the wheel. They just need to start helping to peddle the wheels already in place and stop falling for the traps that continue to delay progress toward a CBA we could be proud to have. That delay is the only thing management wants and your decert game is a silver platter to that end.

I can respect what you’re saying, and I’ll have to agree to disagree with you.

I don’t think this is a union vs. anti-union debate. If you haven’t noticed, this type of mishap is a trend with us. A trend that seems to happen on one side of the fence of our pilot group. It seems to affect both pro-union as well as anti-union Pilots as well. This is a problem with training pure and simple. Wisdom and judgment starts at the top. Unless we change the environment of flop’s training, expect more of the same.