My apology to Nevets

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I want to apologize to Nevets. All along I bought the company and ASA MEC line about LXJT pilots causing all the problems and that Jerry was growing tired of LXJT antics. I also bought into the " most savings are coming from retirement, etc on LXJT". Truth is a far cry from that. I am 13+ year LASA pilot and am completely shocked at how the LASA side has been gutted in this TA. I am the farthest thing from a militant pilot and for the last 13+ years I have gone to work, done my thing then come home to my family. After reading this TA steamer I am now 100% in complete agreement with Nevets. Count me as an easy no vote.
 

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I believe this TA guts our contract more than yours. Our matching is decreased, B fund gone in 3 years, premium caps, co-pays, coinsurance, deductibles, and max out of pocket expenses going up, vision plan 100% employee paid, per diem going down, LTD destroyed, sick accrual going down, jury duty pay going down, OJI bank reduced, not to mention all the scheduling rules that are gutted! All this just to get us closer to Skywest pilots cost.

No apologies needed. But I do agree with your vote though.
 

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Thank John Wood. He lead the XJT NC, everyone knows the two idiots they put in there with him couldn't find their way out of a paper bag. The only thing John has ever done on the NC is give things back. He came out and said we will never have PBS, we will Never give up our Retirement and much more, now look where we are!
 

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I believe this TA guts our contract more than yours. Our matching is decreased, B fund gone in 3 years, premium caps, co-pays, coinsurance, deductibles, and max out of pocket expenses going up, vision plan 100% employee paid, per diem going down, LTD destroyed, sick accrual going down, jury duty pay going down, OJI bank reduced, not to mention all the scheduling rules that are gutted! All this just to get us closer to Skywest pilots cost.

No apologies needed. But I do agree with your vote though.


You keep retirement for 3 years... We get zero. Your insurance still subsidized more that ours. Your out times start when door closes, ours count when plane starts to move. You MMG guarantee for vacation stays at 75 with ability to drop conflicting trips, our vacation goes down to 65 MMG.... I thought they would divide and conquer...but apparently not,.... This TA is bad bad Leroy brown...baddest TA in the whole dam town..


Why would anyone vote yes? What am I missing here?i
 

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Why would anyone vote yes? What am I missing here?i
What your missing is "Plan B"....I'm not going to polish this turd of an agreement. Their is nothing in it for me and I will lose money on this TA. All the gains are for junior pilots. What your voting on is whether we continue on as a part of SkyWest Inc, or whether we get wound down while the replacement aircraft go to SkyWest. That is what this vote is all about.
 

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Thank John Wood. He lead the XJT NC, everyone knows the two idiots they put in there with him couldn't find their way out of a paper bag. The only thing John has ever done on the NC is give things back. He came out and said we will never have PBS, we will Never give up our Retirement and much more, now look where we are!
Your MEC and NC were militant....What happened? Why did they cave? Has anyone asked them?
 

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Me me me huh JM? That's what your worried about, your job here? Let them close it up. It'll take awhile. Meantime maybe you can join the rest of us and get thenhell out of this mismanaged company. Heck even the SKYW pilots are making more than us hourly, then add in their bonuses and no union dues.

NO!
 

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Heck even the SKYW pilots are making more than us hourly, then add in their bonuses and no union dues.

NO!
So would you trade our contract, or our TA for the entire SkyWest contract? Answer that simple question.
 

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Nah, just keep our current contract by voting no for now. I hope to be out of here myself.

NO!
 

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Nah, just keep our current contract by voting no for now. I hope to be out of here myself.

NO!
So you admit that our entire contract is better than the SkyWest contract. Why did you try to tell me that they make more? Once again, it's easy to be a chest thumper when you don't even have the facts to back it up.
 

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JM calm down. You'll get another 2-3 years out of it before the doors close. You can always move on ya know. as you spout, the regional model is broke.

NO!
 

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You keep retirement for 3 years... We get zero. Your insurance still subsidized more that ours. Your out times start when door closes, ours count when plane starts to move. You MMG guarantee for vacation stays at 75 with ability to drop conflicting trips, our vacation goes down to 65 MMG.... I thought they would divide and conquer...but apparently not,.... This TA is bad bad Leroy brown...baddest TA in the whole dam town..


Why would anyone vote yes? What am I missing here?i
All those things are either status quo or huge concessions for the ERJ side!


So would you trade our contract, or our TA for the entire SkyWest contract? Answer that simple question.
I would if they merge all three groups.
 

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This TA is nothing but a gratuitous kick in the head.

It's meant to be insulting, denigrating, and demoralizing. It might save them $10.

Why would they do that?

Because we're getting shut down either way. This is just a little parting gift from Utah and a way to get their guys in line.

NO
 
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All those things are either status quo or huge concessions for the ERJ side!




I would if they merge all three groups.
Why do you want to bring SkyWest into your nasty little mess?
 

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So you admit that our entire contract is better than the SkyWest contract. Why did you try to tell me that they make more? Once again, it's easy to be a chest thumper when you don't even have the facts to back it up.
No I don't admit their contract is better than LASA's, those are your words JM. As for compensation they do make more. Their pay rate/hourly is a few dollars more, their performance pay more than that $40 check we usually get (minus ALPA's cut mind you), plus they're nonunion, so no dues. Look JM, no matter how you try to twist it, this TA blows. Get over it. Your buddy Newie did a crap job along with the LECs & NC but they didn't cut their 6 hour credit did they?

HELL NO!
 

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So would you trade our contract, or our TA for the entire SkyWest contract? Answer that simple question.

Yes I would. I am wondering if the play needs to be a no vote, followed by a grassroots drive to boot ALPA off the property. I have gone full circle from believing ALPA was a necessary evil to ALPA is a country club full of members that don't want to get booted out. I am appalled at the violations of the current contract that the ALPA reps want to brush under the rug to not ruffle the feathers. I have had my views swayed to the point that our MEC is less on our side than management.

I believe our best future is without ALPA and as One company with Skywest. 7,000 plus strong. One management, one seniority list, no union. No more divide and conquer.

Voting No for contract
Voting YES to remove anybody in our current ALPA
 

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Skywest, United and Delta have a plan for you guys, unfortunately it is gonna be painful. SKYW hates unions more than you can imagine, probably almost as much as UAL DAL does.
As the draw down/transfer happens, junior pilots will jump over to the UAL/DAL side and continue their careers at first year pay, senior guys will hold on for dear life and wonder how much Homer Dipot, starting pay will be, after the doors are chained shut.
They sent the dwarf to do the dirty work, and you are getting a taste. The problem isn't ALPA it's the airline business. Regionals were always the "D" scale operations, created to keep employee pay low, nothing more. This isn't about just pilots, it's about every employee who gets paid less than a mainline position. Wanna fix the problem? Quit, walk away, say thanks but no thanks, but you won't and they know it, because they study you like an an ant farm on a desk. Our need or desire to fly makes us very predictable and even easier to manipulate, congrats you will pay dearly for that need or desire. Crack Hos will do anything for a rock and pilots will do even more.....
 

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