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I have heard a lot rumors that MESA is about to acquire several (at least 3) 737s. Can anyone out there comment on that?

Also, I am hearing that CC Air, a MESA Air Group company has petitioned to bring to a vote throwing out ALPA as the pilot group reps. The reward for this action is to be that the CC Air pilots and not the MESA pilots will be flying the new CRJ 700s and CRJ 900s.

AGAIN, the above are rumors that I have read and heard. The one about the 737s came from the plane business website. I was hoping to get some confirmation on these from some of you out there.

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If true,I hope they're better managed-too many cancellations for mx and crew availability.No slam on the pilot group ! Just go down to the D gates at CLT and see for yourself.
 

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I used to work in Mesa Ops at PHX. Again, not to slam the pilot group or the company, but we had LOTS of problems with MX cancellations and delays for so many reasons. The gate situation was a nightmare (this was not the company's fault per se.) Not nearly enough people to work the ramp or the gates. The flow of communication was pretty miserable. Employee morale was in the toilet bowl, and we kept the passengers pretty unhappy.

An example: We had a flight to Yuma that (supposedly) departed just after 6AM every weekday. The flight was ALWAYS delayed by at least a half hour. I truly mean always. When I worked the gate, a businessman came to my gate to go to Yuma every Monday. He had 2 questions for me every morning... What was the score of the ASU game, and how late is the flight this morning. It was embarassing.

Another: When I transfered to Ops, I'd only been working at the company a couple months. On my second day down in ops, Neither of the other 2 agents scheduled for the morning showed up. I was left to coordinate the gate assignments, communicate with inboud/outbound aircraft, locate crews, and basically coordianate the whole Phoenix operation with literally 1 day of experience. That morning was a serious charlie foxtrot for the airline.

I've heard things have improved. While I was there, a new station manager took over. Ornstein is pretty saavy, but he's no Herb Kelleher. I agree with the previous poster that Mesa needs to work on its management strategy if its going to make a run at the big time.
 

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Mesa B737s

I haven't followed it lately, but the Mesa 737 rumor was on some board about a month ago. I'd find it to be extremely rich if they do get them, and here's why.

I interviewed at Mesa in the fall of 1990. During that time, the first RJs were on the drawing boards and were in the magazines. Some Vice-President of Operations at Mesa by the name of Grady something-or-another interviewed me. He asked if I had any questions, so I asked Mr. something-or-another if Mesa might ever acquire regional jets. He was clearly annoyed by my question. I thought the question was fair because RJs were public knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised if my question killed my interview.

Of course, as Paul Harvey says, we know the rest of the story. Mesa now operates two kinds of RJs, so, I guess, they acquired RJs after all :rolleyes: and are a major RJ operator.

I recall some poster saying that rumor was not true. Of course, the America West folks would be thrilled about it if it happens. :rolleyes:

Seriously, I sure would be interested in reading authentic information about Mesa getting 73s.
 
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bobbysamd,

From what I've heard, that guy you're talking about is a total idiot. He was a B1900 program manager or something like that, thought his crap didn't stink, but didn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground. The story goes is he was showing off how to check the fluid level in the fill can for the landing gear hydraulic system. Every new hire (mechanic and pilot) who might even think of going near that fill can were warned to NEVER unscrew the cap and check the dipstick without first depressurizing the system with the manual bleed valve. Well you guessed it, Mr. Big Shot unscrewed the cap and got hydraulic fluid all over himself and everywhere. Everyone in the maintenance hanger were laughing their arses off. He was lucky he didn't get seriously injured. The gear system pressure normally is between 2320-2775 psi; although I don't know how high it gets at the fill can, it's still high enough to hurt somebody. The manual bleed valve was henceforth referred to as the "Grady Valve" in his honor.
 

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As an aside:To the CCAir folks wishing to vote ALPA off the property-I hope you plan on retiring there.If you believe Johnny O's gonna get you jets in return,I have some nice oceanfront property for sale near PHX.
 

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Grady Something-or-another

Thanks, Rudedog. I wish I could remember "Grady's" last name. I am sure he was the "Grady" who turned thumbs-down on me because the 1900s were Mesa's prime equipment at the time, more so than the Brasilias. Larry Risley loved the 1900s. But, somehow, I recall there was more than one "Grady" at Mesa at the time, which was circa 1990.

Pretty typical of this business. You go on the interview of your life, desperate for the chance, and you're interviewed by some a-hole, which this fellow was. But, after getting a second shot at working at Mesa and being hired at the flight school, I found that this "Grady" was typical of the jerks who populated the place at that time.

Fly safe :)
 

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bobbysamd,

It rhymes with tREED, gREED, and bREED. For legal reasons, I can't give out his name. It could be some other Grady, there's SO many at Mesa. If so I apologize to the innocent Gradys out there. I wouldn't want to be accused of slander, libel, defamation, or any other no-no for which this guy might sic his lawyer on me. ;)
 

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Ahhah, THAT "Grady" !

Thanks again, Rudedog, for reeding my post and refreshing my recollection. That's the guy, alright. A real fine and fair gentleman and professional interviewer. :rolleyes:

In retrospect, I might not have done a perfect interview, but plenty of people do imperfect interviews and get hired. I'll go to the grave convinced that this fellow nixed my candidacy because I only asked a simple question about Mesa getting RJs. What adds insult to injury and makes this all the more ironic is, according to several posts, that MAPD grads were being asked in their interviews if they wanted the RJ! I would have been tickled pink just to have the chance to go to class to fly his 1900s, or someone else's, for the rest of my career.
 
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Guess who fired almost a whole class in Dec -94? Reason? One, yes one of the guys in the class had made a bunch of bogus reservations out of FMN, just to be able to get home over x-mas (dum bass).

Having said that, Mr xxxx's son is a top dude, somtimes the apple falls pretty far away from the tree:)

Yes, the story about the hydralic reseovoir is true.
 

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there are no plans for 737 at mesa. also the 700/900 crj delivery is commencing im may 2002 with the first 700. 900s in 2003
 

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Mesa 737s

Thanks for the update. The rumor never sounded kosher to me.
 

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What's the deal between Mesa and the Union on the 700/900? Does the company want different pay rates so the Union wants separate standing bids? Are the bigger birds similar enough to the CRJ200 so a pilot can fly all three? I'm guessing the company will pay 700 rates for both planes but not what the 900 should pay. I bet JO is blaming the Union for keeping them off the property until pay is negotiated. Remember to stand firm until you get what you deserve like United with its 747-400s and Delta with its' 777s!

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P.S. Would I be a total loser if I jumped back on the Mesa forum for old time's sake? Since I'm furloughed, I've got a lot of time on my hands and kinda miss the ol' back-and-forth with JO and the Gang.
 

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How many types

How many types of airplanes does Mesa oporate now? It seems like the way to make money and cut costs is to run as few different types as possible. If they had 737's and added 700/900's how many would that make?
 

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737 rumor

Mesa will not buy 737's, they can barely find
the money to buy RJs.
However, there has been a rumor going around that
Johnnie O wants to buy a major stake in America West.
Their stock price is so low it would not be hard to do.
 

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rudedog: get back into the mesa airlines yahoo forum. welcome there. JO wants same pasy for all three CRJ, USAirways scope limits RJs to 68 seats or less, so JO wants to put the 700/900 on a separate NONUNION certificate to satisfy that. Of course that would make all the mesa pilot group unable to bid them.
 

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Great...a non union company to operate CRJ700/900s and possibably 737s. What will they pay? $19/hr for FOs and $37/hr for CA? I hope this is not true. Getting rid of any union in exchange for bigger a/c is a very bad thing. :confused:
 

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jetdriven,

What about flying the 700/900 for America West? Or would this "new" airline codeshare for both HP and U? What kind of pay is the company offering? Is it closer to the 200 or what the 900 should pay? They could always take 2 seats out of the 700 for USAirways, couldn't they?

Rudedog

P.S. Thanks for the invitation to come back!
 

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rudedog:
the 700-900 plan is for AWA. but the problem is that AWA wants the crews to be able to cross-bid the -200 also. problem is the -200 are on the mesa certificate and USAirways the main codeshare scope limits aircraft with more than 68 seats. so JO wants to put the 700-900s on a new certificate, Freedom Air.
with the 68 seat thing the scope language is aircraft originally certified with more than 68 seats, -700 configured at MESA with 68, two taken out. So the -700 wont fly. Meeting on Jan 3 between johnny O and Wolf @ USAirways to relax the scope language, but the MEC at USAirways wants a BACKFLOW agreement with MESA, which I think is terrible. Look at CoEx and Eagle? looks like a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** sandwich at this point!
Also MESA owns CCAir, flys DHC-8-100s, MESA proper has CRJ-200 and EMB 145, orders in for -700 and -900 CRJ, also, my division Air Midwest runs about 45 Be1900Ds. AMW and MESA share seniority list, CC does not. New petition for single group status for MESA, CC, and AMW. lot of **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** going on about that too. I am furloughed after upgrading in 3 months, so I have plenty of time to hit the yahoo board and surf the net. REPEAT, no plans to get 737s in the near or distant future. wild rumor. blue skies!
 

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jetdriven,

Thanks for the info. Mesa is starting to sound more like a major everyday, both the good and the bad. Sorry about the furlough, I know how you feel, albeit on a different level. It's too bad the merry-go-round had to come to such a screeching halt for everyone. I didn't think I needed to build any more character, but I guess I was wrong. Furloughs being just part of the business doesn't make it feel any better either. But I'm looking on the bright side, at least we got Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years off!

Rudedog
 
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