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405 said:What is your definition of livable wage? I've seen this phrase quite a bit.
Catbert said:Retirement is all well and good. But you're forgetting the obvious. Whether you're a construction worker, a Wal Mart employee, or a regional FO, you still have to be able to pay for housing, utilites, food, etc every day in your community. It varies by location, but generally, livable wage means being able to meet your financial obligations with a full time job where you live.
Where I live, living wage means averaging $8/hr in a 40 hour week. Less than that, and you have to live in mom's basement.
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage
or the obvious Google reference: http://www.google.com/search?q=livable+wage
NoPax said:Living wage shouldn't have to cover your training expenses. Living wage should only cover your housing, essential bills, and food.
Training expenses should be viewed as motivation...that said, I agree that any professional pilot should be paid more than construction workers, but for different reasons - ie medical exam, and proficiency checks generally every 6 months can put you out of business.
If I had to guess it's probably about 125% poverty line. (that's the figure USCIS use for immigration sponsors).
nonstop said:Hello flamebait,
Do you start all your posts with Hello ______, ?nonstop said:Hello Mr. Obvious,
No I wasn't forgetting the obvious, I just thought it too OBVIOUS to mention. Yes food, shelter and transportation are involved.
Oops, I forgot to mention toilet paper.... :/
Catbert said:Do you start all your posts with Hello ______, ?
But seriously, of course it's obvious, that's not the point. Livable wage is a known, recognized concept and term. It's not based on retirement pay or what we feel we're worth because of our training costs.
What you're describing is what I would euphemistically call pay-me-for-what-I-think-I'm-worth pay. I think it's just as valid and important. It's just not the definition of Livable Wage.