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ACARS is a simple system. Out time = pax door closed, parking brake released, off time = weight off wheels, on time = weight on wheels, in time = pax door open. That is it! No other way to monitor. The anti-skid system is not linked into the ACARS system so there is no way for the company to monitor wheel speed!

You are completely wrong about this. On an airplane like the CRJ there exists a thing called the ARINC databus. Think of it as the airplanes own, individual internet that exists for different computers to talk to one another. Everything is on this data bus. ACARS, right now, is programmed to set out times when doors closed and brake off. It could be reprogrammed to anything. It could be the beacon, cargo door, or wheel speed greater than zero.

You should also know that since we got ACARS that the company monitors your flight data. They know most things that go to the flight data recorder every 3 minutes or so when the ACARS sends down a snap shot of the flight. Every see those "VHF in Progress" when you didn't ask for anything? King Tutt knows if you fly cost index or not. Hit APR on a 700/900 and 50 Blackberries light up.
 
They know most things that go to the flight data recorder every 3 minutes or so when the ACARS sends down a snap shot of the flight. Every see those "VHF in Progress" when you didn't ask for anything? King Tutt knows if you fly cost index or not. Hit APR on a 700/900 and 50 Blackberries light up.


I was told that the way they discovered the BTR incident was somebody's blackberry at Bombardier lit up reporting that a CRJ went to 126% N1. They called ASA maint in ATL and asked what the hell was going on. ATL then called BTR.

Evidently nobody thought N1 would EVER hit that
 
They already have, or can easily obtain available transponder technology that shows your exact position on the field. That's why we leave the transponder on for ATL ramps, as well other ATC requested airports for movement areas. The new checklist will have all crews leave the transponder on at all airports after landing. More than one person working on the new checklist has explained this to me.
 
Why the hell would the company want to change the way we record our times? Don't they want on time performance? Wake up fools.
 
Why the hell would the company want to change the way we record our times? Don't they want on time performance? Wake up fools.

DOT performance based on door close. Pay determined by aircraft movement. As long as its agreed upon in a JCBA they could index pay to OFF times if they wanted to. Someday they'll probably wantthis.

It doesnt HAVE to be the same, it just traditionally HAS been. Dangerous precedent eh?
 
DOT performance based on door close. Pay determined by aircraft movement. As long as its agreed upon in a JCBA they could index pay to OFF times if they wanted to. Someday they'll probably wantthis.

It doesnt HAVE to be the same, it just traditionally HAS been. Dangerous precedent eh?

If that were the case, would you ever shut the door on time if the ground crew wasn't ready? Would anybody? That's a dangerous game and you're reading too much into that provision
 
If that were the case, would you ever shut the door on time if the ground crew wasn't ready? Would anybody? That's a dangerous game and you're reading too much into that provision


If this isn't something management doesn't want to reserve the right to do in the future, then why did they differentiate between the fleets?
 
I had a grievance for not getting paid when we were at the gate with the door closed for two hours and then had to open it. They said the wheels never turned so we lost the pay. That was two years ago, they can already see wheel motion on the CRJ and currently track it.
 
So in your opinion, Bill, is it something we should really harp on considering it is the current way of doing things?
 

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