Job Fairs?

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Anyone out there have any experience with these Airinc. job fairs? Are they worth the time and money? Do you really increase your chances with some of these companies? I would go if I thought it would help me get an interview, especially if it gets me off furlough, cuz this unemployed thing is getting old! Any info. would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Job Fairs

I really don't know what the Job Fairs will be like post 9/11. I went to one years ago and met some nice folks, great way to networking with other pilots in your same situation. I got one interview out of it, but wasn't very interested in the company. I guess if you spend the money and get a job it will be well worth it and if you don't it will be a waste of money.

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They're pretty good.

I went to the ATL AIR, Inc. job fair in July '01 and came away feeling like it was a worthwhile use of my time and money. Without a doubt the best part of it was meeting and greeting with the airline hiring departments (which was the afternoon of the second day). I think this can be worth its weight in gold for the very people oriented airlines like jetBlue and Southwest. I didn't get a whole lot of new information out of the two forums I went to (military/airline transition & interview survival) and they were each $35 or so. But, like Humble said, they may have changed a lot since the terrorist attacks.

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Air Fairs in General

Both Air Inc and ourselves have career Airfairs. Prior to midsummer, they were both successful although they represented different approaches. Air Inc was expensive for the member/attendee and free to the companies. While free to the companies was good, it also lead to companies being shown on there that really are not looking, just available.

Air Inc has these presentations that take a good deal of the day and then a short actual meeting time.

AEPS was the opposite. Companies were charged so really wanted to be there or did not come. Members/attendees were charged minimally to keep the passerbys down. Most of AEPS was face time with a few helpful seminars during day.

Air Inc had intended to start charging the companies but that went away with the 11th. In DC, he had to reduce entrance fee to $99 and even then it was not a good situation for anyone.

AEPS is putting one together with NATA and PAMA for Indy in March. Same low fee. Could not tell what Kit is charging for Dallas from site however would say these are more informational now than recruiting.
 

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I was scheduled for the $249.00 Seminar by Air Inc in Denver 17 SEP, it was of course cancelled. I hit the one on VA in November. The price was lowered to $99.00 and the seminars were only $25.00 each.

Knowing what I now know, I would not attend any of the seminars. Throught the entire workshop sessions, it was more marketing for Air Inc and how you can't get a job without them. Its a huge sales pitch.

I would estimate there were over 300 at the main jobfair seminar 300 x $99.00 ain't bad chump change for 2 days work. I understand they have huge overhead, but their sales of books and study material well offset any loss. And this is at $99.00 a head not the normal $249.00. Kits doing well.

I thoght the actual face time with the HR folks was worth it. That and you get to meet who your vying for jobs against, get to network and actually have a good time. No I haven't gotten a job yet, however I gave my resume to the SWA folks and they sent me a job app to fil out that was slightly different from the app online. Hope this helps.
 

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I have had a very positive experience with these fairs. Though Mr. Publisher is correct in the assertion that AIR Inc's charging policies result in a slightly different blend of employer / employee prospects, I would defend it.

Though United, American, et al may not pay to be there, it nontheless costs them money, effort, and time to do it. Believe me they wouldn't be there if there were not a desire to do so. Kit delivers a nice crop of people who are motivated enough to pay the money and put on a good suit and travel, and the airlines know it.

I work these fairs recruiting for my company, and I have had a chance to chat informally with some of the recruiters at the after-hours gatherings. There is no doubt in my mind that there are two very large positives to be had from going through this effort to meet and see these people:

1) Some airlines (like mine) indeed do informal "prescreening" at these events, setting aside resume' s from people we think would be good candidates (a cold piece of paper can't hold a candle to a few minutes of talking with someone and seeing their demeanor in person). They are the first ones we call when we interview to fill a class (after the personal recommendations, of course).

2) In the case of the airlines that don't (like United, from whom your call was based entirely on the computer picking out your scantron), you at least got straight poop from the people running the department. This is invaluable!! A five minute talk with with the head of pilot recruiting sizing up your resume is worth a lifetime of rumors about what you need to be competitive and what you don't (how many of you have spent years in the right seat of a big jet when a year in the left seat of a little turboprop would've had you that interview years ago?). If you have a road map, you can find your destination so much faster!!

My first air fair was ATL '99, and I was at once frustrated and inspired. I was so pissed that with the resume I had I wasn't as competitve as I thought I was. At the same time, I had found out exactly what I had to do to get competitive - and it worked. I was hired at a major airline last year. Unfortunately 9/11 happened before I got a class, and I got a letter saying my new job had vaporized. Though it's dissappointing, if I did it once I can do it again - and there were choices I made as a result of the AIR Inc fair that led me straight to that job.

Majors not hiring now? Yeah, I know. But JetBlue, Southwest, Executive Jet, Airtran and other excellent companies usually have strong representation and give you a chance to have real conversations with people who can get you hired. Plain and simple. For those of you not yet competitive - this can give you a chance to concentrate your effort on the activites and jobs that will get you in the door in the least amount of time. They'll tell you exactly what to do!

For those of you in the "competitive" realm for regional airlines, these shows are veritable smorgasbords. All the good regionals are usually there, and many folks walk out the door with interview dates in hand (obviously after 9/11 it may be down a bit).

Though I have not yet been to an AEPS event - things over there seem to be pretty active as well. They have recently had forums with JetBlue and Southwest HR departments and I'm sure others.

If you are serious about advancing your career, or are an out of work pilot right now wanting to know what the marketplace is, these are can't-miss events IMHO. I have no affiliation with either AIR Inc or AEPS - I just think you are.....unwise....to go into battle without obtaining the proper information to achive your goal.

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I went to Air Inc's Feb 01 in DFW. I arrived late for only the second day so I got an "extra discount" because I missed the part where the companies get up and tell you about there future.

I was looking at regionals only, with that in mind I did walk away with about 7 interviews which turned into about 3 offers.

I agree with others that it is overpriced, but the face time with the carrier of choice "may" be worth it.

I have never gone to an AEPS, but a good friend of mine did. His perspective was it was a better deal. He was to both AIR inc and AEPS and he would only go to AEPS in the future.

Regardless, I really do not know how benificial any of these are going to be other than informational post 9/11. So for the money, I guess I would take AEPS over AIR inc.
 

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Thanks for the info.....

Thanks for the replies. I'm furloughed now and I'm getting to the point where I would do anything to get back flying. Of course the money issue is big right now and paying $100 or more to get into the fair is not really something I can comfortably do...but I need to fly again so I'm still thinking about ways to pull it off. Thanks again and good luck to all.

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P.S.- George...great name! :D
 

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I agree with you. I wanted to go to the DFW Air Inc but now that I don't have a job, I don't want to spend that much money. I'm curious how many people will show up.
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Can't come up with the money????

Yes air fairs do cost money... Yes Kit Darby is gaining money for not doing much work... Yes MOST of the air fair is a waste of time...

BUT...

Getting a job is much like making babies.... It only takes one to get through and it is absolute once it happens....


At almost all majors you will not get called unless you have a recommendation or you "know somebody"... These air fairs are your chance to get to know somebody... Probably even THE person who will either pick you for an interview OR conduct the actual interview...

Is it worth it to pay to meet these people that offer your "dream job".... YES..... $99.00 is a small price to pay for a $15,000,000 dollar airline career.

Can't come up with the money.... I'm still laughing at that one.
 

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Keep laughing, funny boy. I'm paying for a house, car, wife, and two kids on unemployment.
I need that 100 dollars to buy food.
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Hey Striker...GET BENT

:eek:

Last time I checked those $15 million airline careers were all gone and won't be back for years. So unless you're there now, you ain't gonna get there for a long, long time. I'm out on the street, like many others, just living day to day trying to figure out how to get a job that gets me back in the air. I'm guessing you have never even held a job that would expose you to the possibility of being furloughed. So take your 2500 hours and go talk to somebody who cares...in the meantime I'll send you my address so you can send my the $99 so pay to have the PRIVILEDGE of kissing someone's ass for a job that no longer exists!
 

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My thoughts...I went to the ATL AIR INC Conf last July. Like Slick Willie said above, if you can see yourself working at jetBlue, SWA, AirTran, Alaska, or a number of regionals, the grip and grin portion is definitely worthwhile. Simply put, if you don't know somebody in the company at all of the above, except for maybe SWA, it is essential to meet the recruiters at either Air Inc or AEPS conference. Don't waste your money at anything other than the job fair and try to attend a conference that will minimize transportation costs/lodging in getting there.

BTW, another shameless plug for Mr. Publisher, eh?
 

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Don't be bitter about furlough...

Get motivated to be more competitive than your peers... Market yourself and network.

I'm not trying to flame anyone.... and obviously (some) thought I was in my previous post.... I'm just trying to point out the priority and motivation one needs to take to COMPETE in this challenging work environment...

If there is even ONE job at an Air Fair that I could market myself for I would go... If you don't try you will never ever get hired.

But seriously.... Are going to "limit" yourself and not do absolutely everything to get yourself back into the cockpit...

As far as the money goes.... Your family is number one (priority) hands down... But...Isn't that why you are working so hard to get that airline job that allows you to be home more than not.....

So.... here are some real alternatives to getting that $99.00. Without sacrificing what resources you do have for your family.

1. Credit card it.... how many do you get with 0% interest everyday.

2. E-Bay your junk.... one mans garbage is anothers treasure.

3. Borrow the money from family...



Good luck to all.
 

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plug

Hey, we appreciate all the plugs we can get.

I cannot tell from the Air Inc site if Kit is selling Dallas for $99. It says sale only until 12/31/01.

My advice remains consistant, do everything you can to use all the resources.

That being said, you have to assess where you stand competitively. with these companies. I think I am safe to say that meeting someone from United is not going to be very productive.
I talked to Jerry McDermand today from EJA. He has all the resumes he needs for the next 5 years. If you are paying $214 to meet with them, you may be wasting time and money right now.

The question is who is likely to hire you anytime soon. Indigo just agreed to be a an AEPS primary resource user. Still, in the interview on AvCAreer.TV, it will be a while before they really gear up. American Eagle, forget it.

In short, only you can estimate your place in the chain. BE realistic, face to face time does count if you have the times. If you do not, you could be wasting time and money.

These shows are realistic opportunites from legitimate companies unlike climbto350 and others that glean their so called jobs from others boards.
 

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Okay, So I shelled out the 99 bucks, I'm goin to Dallas, I've got apps in with all of the carriers there that I meet the minimums for. I stand in line to meet with these folks, when I get to the front of the line and finally meet up with the reps from each company, what in the world do I say? Also, Should I be concerned about walking up to the Jetblue people, telling them how much I want to work for them and then walking over and getting in the AirTran line? Anyway, I figure it can't hurt to go, just not sure what kind of approach to take with these folks when I get their ear for a moment or two. Thanks, good luck to all.
 

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Just dont get in the jetblue line and tell them how badly you want to work at airtran and vice versa...


Capt Over, I can save you 25 bones right off the bat, next time you go to the "dance place" just get one dance instead of your usual two or three!!!
 

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Everybody's a comedian......


Wise ass regional puke!
 

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I called Air Inc and they said it was 175 for Saturday if your not a member and 150 something if you are a member. Does anybody know the real scoop?????
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deal

The $99 deal may be over, if you are going check first
 
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