I am Confused, Should I Right it Up?

Mickey Mouse

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I am Confused, Should I Write it Up?

The company is telling me to write it up, the union says don't. Oh my goodness, I am stuck in a moral dilemma. Dear FAA, what should I do?

FROM YOUR MEC


Management advised us late yesterday that it has received reports that some pilots may be planning to engage in an illegal job action, possibly including a maintenance write-up campaign. While we do not have evidence that this is occurring, we want to advise you that any such actions that depart from normal longstanding operational practices with the intent to harm our airline?s operation could lead to discipline, including discharge, for individual pilots who participate. These types of activities could place individual pilots? careers in jeopardy. They are also very likely to also harm rather than help our collective pilot group?s abilities to expeditiously resume JCBA negotiations. We understand and share your frustration with the current situation, but remember that disrupting the operation could provide our mainline partners a reason to discontinue their relationship with ExpressJet, which would negatively impact all of our job security. Therefore, we strongly advise pilots not to engage in or contemplate engaging in such actions.
 
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I guess I better write-up every single discrepancy, as directed by the FOM. I am not taking any chances.
 

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And don't use your personal phone. :)
 

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I edited "Right it up" in the thread title to "write it up". It's still showing Right it Up. I guess what's "Write is Right."
 

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All I can say is I hope we prove the company wrong. This is not the time for this. We sent a message to te company. Let them respond. Continue to act professional and lead by example.
 

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Maintenance management wants ALL discrepancies written up as well as all EICAS messages, even momentary ones. That is how they get put into TRAX for tracking repeats, etc. Pilots and maintenance controllers have been violated for not documenting discrepancies when they were discovered.

All discrepancies should be documented every time as soon as they are known. It seems to me that if the email is legit the association is encouraging pilots to hide discrepancies, that is against company policies and the FARs.
 
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Maintenance management wants ALL discrepancies written up as well as all EICAS messages, even momentary ones. That is how they get put into TRAX for tracking repeats, etc. Pilots and maintenance controllers have been violated for not documenting discrepancies when they were discovered.

All discrepancies should be documented every time as soon as they are known. It seems to me that if the email is legit the association is encouraging pilots to hide discrepancies, that is against company policies and the FARs.
If so, that's just one more reason to dump ALPA.
 

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Sure, write stuff up when its required, but I've been through this before. In this case, the union is correct. We all know that its possible to find the most stupid, non safety related stuff on any ship and write it up just to cause a delay.
However, the only ones to suffer in the long term are ourselves. Not only do the major partners look at our cost of providing feed, but top of the list is also performance.
Right now Bendover is doing good on both scores, so be patient, stand firm, and be content with the current contract for as long as it takes. Don't be tempted to start this nonsense. Look at what happened with Freedom Airlines and their relationship with Delta.
Be sensible, be safe, and patience will be a virtue in the long run if we set an example for others such as Envoy to follow.
We have, as of now, a highly professional pilot group that deserves to be paid as such.
 

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Causing delays over stupid stuff is for p*ssies...So what if you are pissed off at management, blah blah blah...Don't take it out on the traveling public who has nothing to do with internal business issues.
 

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Those are good points, however, I am concerned that some pilots may be reluctant to write-up small MX discrepancies for fear of being perceived as participating in an illegal job action. There is a fine line between small insignificant items and small legitimate items. The company should not be concerned that pilots will write-up small items, because those are easy to resolve over the phone, through an MEL, CDL, or NEF deferral. If it takes longer than a few minutes to resolve the discrepancy or requires MX to come to the airplane, then it really wasn't a small item to begin with. The company should not be concerned about a job action from the pilot group at this time. The XJT pilot group is not holding out for anything contractually, nor has it made any demands for a new contract. The XJT pilot group is simply operating under it's current contract, and that contract is already substandard. The company should leave well enough alone and stop with the preemptive threats for a condition that probably does not exist.
 

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121.563 Reporting mechanical irregularities. The pilot in command shall ensure that ALL mechanical irregularities occurring during flight time are entered in the maintenance log of the airplane at the end of that flight time. Before each flight the pilot in command shall ascertain the status of each irregularity entered in the log at the end of the preceding flight.

The question to ask yourself is: Would you write it up if a fed were present?
 

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The union can't condone an illegal job act. That's the end of the story. Pilots going rogue and suddenly being inspired to writeup everything has been done in the past and pilots have had strikes successfully pressed against them. This isn't original thinking. We aren't in the 60's, management has had years to come up with ways to screw pilots for doing this.

With that said, you have an obligation to write up aircraft no matter your attitude toward the company. Although, I'm always at a loss why all the sudden pissed off pilots suddenly want to do their job correctly. Just write things up whenever something is broken or in question, no matter how the contract negations are going!

If you think the company won't come after you for suddenly being inspired to do your job the way you should have for the past years you are sadly stupid. A minority of pilots do their ever loving best to do NO work when it comes to writups because they are lazy and can't be bothered. These morons are usually the first ones to be inspired. They can and will hang you, and there isn't much you can do against statistics. If you have always done your job correctly, and you're just continuing a trend of writing up broken aircraft, then congratulations and keep doing it and have no fear.

If you feel comfortable saying to a judge, "This place's MX used to be better and now things aren't being fixed," that probably has some merit. Pinnacle was a complete circus for a year up to the BK and MX on the A/C suffered. MX writeups went up across the board, and I actually saw some good people just give up writing anything up because they were so beat down.

For the next 30 years of your career, just write things up and stop being lazy. Please, for the good of your fellow pilots, everyone do your job and be professional.
 

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Having been involved in representing pilots who were fired for writing up more things than they used to, I can tell you that this isn't anything to sneeze at. All airlines have software that tracks maintenance write-up rates by aircraft, engine, pilot, mechanic, etc. If your write-up rate jumps by 300%, they're going to find you, and they're going to fire you. And the arbitrator is going to back them up. Don't mess with this stuff. You won't win.
 

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The whole thing sounds like a made-up fantasy. Perhaps a mgmt stool pigeon heard one pilot say something and all of a sudden it's an illegal job action.

Or they're just looking to divert attention away from the fact they're swimming in their own incompetence and lashing out at anything that moves.
 

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121.563 Reporting mechanical irregularities. The pilot in command shall ensure that ALL mechanical irregularities occurring during flight time are entered in the maintenance log of the airplane at the end of that flight time. Before each flight the pilot in command shall ascertain the status of each irregularity entered in the log at the end of the preceding flight.

The question to ask yourself is: Would you write it up if a fed were present?
This is what the FAA and our company wants. It has nothing to do with labor actions, it has everything to do with doing the right thing. We have been working hard with flight ops and maintenance management to develop the right attitude and personal practices to address discrepancies legally. My fear is this will get pilots in trouble for not writing up discrepancies.

Pilots that now see the light and start properly documenting discrepancies shouldn't get in trouble now, they should've when they weren't writing them up before.

The union is flat out wrong on this.
 
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