Furlough at CCAir

Vrefus

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my furlough is slated to start on May 1st and boy am I glad I'm at a regional. *sarcastic* It still blows me away to hear of some people out there that place such little value on their profession to whore themselves out. This is what is destroying the industry and people had better start wising up.
 

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Vrefus I can't even start to go into the way CCAir has been treated by Mesa and ALPA. I fly for PDT in and out of CLT all day and it not only kills me to see those Mesa boys flying the RJ's with a contract not even close to CCAir's but one that is so below industry standards it's sick. But then to Hear AirMidwest guys saying they can't wait till you go out of buisness makes me even more sicker. Here you have a small company with enough balls to stand up to J.O. and stick in his face, and the Mesa guys can't pick the ball up and start running with it.
Wish you luck man, hopefully there a bright spot someonewhere for you.
 

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Good Luck, I'm pulling that you guys get an industrial leading contract.
 

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WSurf,

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about, and usually the best course of action in that situation is to keep your big mouth shut.

The pilot's at Mesa/Air Midwest do not want CCAir pilot's to lose their jobs. We definitely feel for them, and that makes our goal even that much more important. WE know what the goal is: one seniority list, and WE are working toward that goal. However, there is only so much we can do when the company won't sit down at the table in good faith.

Vrefus, I wish you and your family well.

Spiff
 

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Thank you guys for the kind words and yes, I'm sure we'll live to fight another day. I can truthfully say that I was one of the thirty that voted against the rag and it was totally out of principle and principle only. I'm sure that and 99 cents may get me a cup of coffee at McDonalds, just not at the CLT airport.
 

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Obviously you don't know what you are talking about, and usually the best course of action in that situation is to keep your big mouth shut.
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Thanks, last time I looked this was a message board. What I was hearing is 'we can't wait to pick up more flying' which to me meant when CCAir goes out of buisness. If I took it the wrong way I apologize. Its just that I have been around the CCAir guys for 3 years out of CLT and have friends within that group. And to watch there 19 seater JetStreams being replaced by 1900D's with 19 seats by crews flying at almost have there pay rates, we maybe its a sore point with me.....

Good Luck on the Contract, there will be many watching..
 

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MESA

MESA How does it feel to be one of the most disliked groups in the industry, where people gather and make thereselves feel better by talking about their anger towards mesa and sharing their horror stories of flying on one of your flights. You guys over at mesa hurt the industry as a whole and I hope that someday you will earn a pair of balls to stand up and fight for whats right and deserving. At least the smart pilots of CC Air didn't lower their standards those as low as MESA.
 

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I'm surprised that someone with your infantry/Ranger background works for a company that lowers the standard by which pilots are paid and treated. Ask the wholly owns how they are asked to take concessions and told that if we don't get down to mesa standards then the possibility of getting cut and our jobs going to mesa is higher. By the way nice way to treat CC Air. Sorry I can't leave out the emotions but when mesa continues to get greedy and steel the jobs of others and the mesa pilots walk around talking about how they can't wait for LOA 81 to go through so they will have more flying, its a slap in the face. Or when a mesa pilot sits in my crew room and states (ref. CH46 incident in afganistan where soldier falls out the door) "that pilot was stupid, what was he thinking, he will probably be sued, why didn't he make sure every one was in." Well it has a tendency to make me loose all kinds of respect for someone and when it happens often from the same pilot group the I loose respect for that group. Another example we provide a crew room that is shared by mesa, well mesa has a computer in there that people use and when a mesa pilot comes in the rudely tell anyone else to get off and one mesa pilot said to another that if anyone else is on the computer kick them off and if they don't get off come and get me. So HUD you tell me when MESA does the previous and more how do you expect others to lrespect them.
 

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>Please answer, if you can, exactly how us Mesa pilots have "hurt the industry as a whole?" I'm really interested to see if you have anything of substance to say. And please try to say it without emotion. I doubt you can, though

>"and Ornstein says US Airways has recognized and rewarded Mesa for the quality of its operation".

Rewarded Mesa for what? Improper uniform attire, No-showing, flight cancellations, leaving PAX stranded, poor MX,...

>"Please answer, if you can, exactly how us Mesa pilots have "hurt the industry as a whole?"
...Oh yeah and doing a full stall landing in a nice shiney RJ in ROA..because "a go-around is not an option"...Then flying revenue PAX out the next morning on the same plane because no-one saw the bent airframe during preflight...

So..if the WO's provide the same "quality of operation" then we'll get RJ's?!
 

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JetProp - Amen Brother

Lets not forget the improper de-icing procedures that mesa uses in moderate snow showers (they don't de-ice) and freezing fog (type one de-ice fluid for a thirty minute taxi). However they are helping the industry. JUST NOT THE DIRECTION WE WANT THEM TO HELP.
 

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I'm no MESA pilot and I'm no fan of them either. But you guys need to lighten up. I don't think the pilots are totally the ones at fault here (For the most part). They are just trying to make a living in a very hard industry.
 

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MESA SUCKS. Soon hopefulley Netjets will not fly on them again. learn how to wear a uniform and clean up a airplane and I might think nicer of you. Oh yea, it would be nice to have a good landing every now and then. Whenever you guys ask me to get a job at Netjets, I always say the same thing. Work for a real place like Comair, ASA, AWA, ACA and not your loser place like yours. I went on strike at Comair to stop underpaid Mesa guys from scewing the industry. Let Comair's less than prefect contact be the start and not the end.
 

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In regards to Mesa, why is it that CCAir was always having to back them up. They came in and basically stole OAJ from CCAir and then the moment their Dash breaks, look who has to back them up? CCAir, of course. When Mesa can't crew an airplane or even find an airplane to crew, look who backs them up, CCAir, of course. Super Bowl Sunday, Mesa had how many crews call out sick? and again, look who backed them up, CCAir once again. I wonder if USAir was charged cost plus on these flights which Mesa pocketed and then decided to rape CCAir on the books. I don't know what else could be more clear. Not pointing fingers at the pilots here but at the management instead. Mesa is a dirtbag company and some people need to open their eyes.
 

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You W.O.s make me laugh. You are the only ones complaining about every other company and yet I see you still are flying props. It seems to me that if you had any balls as you have mentioned, you would be the ones flying jets and of course you deserve them because your W.O.s. I think maybe you need to be dealing with your own problems instead of taking shots on everybody else (seems some of you might need some mental attention). As for CC-Air they accepted a lower than standard contract and will be the airline to get the jets, so you W.O.s can have yet another airline to whine about.


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sick and tired of hearing the W.O.s complain
 

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By the way, how does it feel to have somebody take shots at your pilot group like you're doing to other pilot groups when the real problem here is MANAGEMENT.
 

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From what I hear about our new contract, when we were putting together jet rates we tried to get what ALG and PDT had in their contract. The first thing management did was insist on using an industry average and made it very clear that mesa had to be included. So as a result, we again are still behind PDT and ALG. Just for fun....can someone post the jet rates in the mesa contract ?? But the real question is what is up with those "Lets Roll" hats. The uniform hats are bad enough but come on.......
 

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Be190
I am glad that we can give you some amusment and allow you to laugh. I am assuming that you think mesa has some big balls to have that industry leading contract huh. The reason the w.o's dont have jets is because we dont want to whore ourselves out to get them. And we dont whine about other airlines....nobody else hurts the industry like mesa.
 

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Just more whining from your favorite regionals (yes you are a regional just like everyone else so start facing the facts). I just wish you W.O.s could keep your mouths shut long enough to let someone try to explain their situation before stepping on toes. But I haven't the time nor do I care about you enough to whine about it..............
 

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rufus said:
Work for a real place like Comair, ASA, AWA, ACA and not your loser place like yours
That was a prettly lame statement .. :confused:
 

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Just what we need

This is great. Pilot groups fighting amongst themselves. So much for being union brothers.

First off, the situation at CC Air cannot be blamed on Mesa pilots. CC Air was purchased by J.O. not the pilots, and he has been employing normal management tactics. Divide and conquer.

As far as lowering the bar, we are trying to raise it. Remember our previous MEC signed a poor contract, but it achieved its goal, it brought Florida Gulf, Liberty, Mountain West, and AirMidwest pilots under one seniority list. This was a five year agreement which expired Dec of last year. With one list we can bargain unified for a proper contract. CC Air is being used to whipsaw our two groups so we cannot bargain as one agent.

Also we have not taken concessions or agreed to any flying for anything less than our current payscales. Complying with our contract, however pathetic it may be. One payraise in 6 years due to managements creative bookkeeping. Life isn't rosy here folks, just because we have some jets that can go to some non union entity in a heartbeat. And that won't just be a problem for Mesa pilots.

What about Commutair and Great Lakes. They fly airplanes for less than Mesa guys. They must be lowering the bar. Time to slam them. Doesn't make much sense.

By the way, this Freedom thing is just another way for management to whipsaw and manipulate labor into even lower payscales and compensation packages.

Scouts, your personal attacks on a guy because he works for Mesa are amazing. Granted there are pilots in each of our groups that need to have a labotomy, but come on, you are way out of line.

Everyone must realize these things that are happening are not because of any pilot group.

THEY ARE HAPPENING BECAUSE OF MANAGEMENT........


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