Fatigue Loophole?

ProFracPilot

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It was only a matter of time. And Alan Levin needed to fill column space.
 

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Oh, I dunno.

I think NJASAP negotiated one of the best pilot fatigue policies in the world.

In fact, I know they have.
 

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They have. And it works as does Part 91K. Problem is, stuff like this is going to result in new regs that could potentially DESTROY our business.
 

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Oh, I dunno.

I think NJASAP negotiated one of the best pilot fatigue policies in the world.

In fact, I know they have.
I think you are right. Flight Options pilots enjoy an identical fatigue prevision in their contract.
 

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Oh, I dunno.

I think NJASAP negotiated one of the best pilot fatigue policies in the world.

In fact, I know they have.
and with the required report

and now a card that will tell you "WHEN NOT IF" you can fatigue ???

please spare us
 

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and with the required report

and now a card that will tell you "WHEN NOT IF" you can fatigue ???

please spare us
Have you even SEEN it yet? My understanding is the card is a tool to help you recognize signs of fatigue. If anything, the card will probably lead to even MORE fatigue calls. Calls which are fully protected by the way.

Oh gee, that's right, I have to take a whole 90 seconds to fill out a BB form. Maybe I'll fly the extra leg after all. Spare ME.
 

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and with the required report

and now a card that will tell you "WHEN NOT IF" you can fatigue ???

please spare us
Need help with your resignation letter?
 

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Have you even SEEN it yet? My understanding is the card is a tool to help you recognize signs of fatigue. If anything, the card will probably lead to even MORE fatigue calls. Calls which are fully protected by the way.

Oh gee, that's right, I have to take a whole 90 seconds to fill out a BB form. Maybe I'll fly the extra leg after all. Spare ME.

Fatigue report should never have been. Too late I guess because this was already negotiated away.

I sure hope you are right about this card. Time will tell.
 
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and with the required report
"What time did you go to bed the night before?"

"When did you get up?"

"How was the sleep?"

"Any factors that affected the sleep?"



Wow... that's such a burden to fill out. :rolleyes:
 

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"What time did you go to bed the night before?"

"When did you get up?"

"How was the sleep?"

"Any factors that affected the sleep?"



Wow... that's such a burden to fill out. :rolleyes:

For some reason you forgot to mention the other parts of that report. At any rate it was a give away with IBB. We never had this requirement prior to 2007 and we had the same no fault fatigue policy. On top of that why the heck should a fatigue report be associated with losing a sick day? That makes no sense at all. Company won on this one.

I'm done ranting and raving about fatigue. I just hope that you people that negotiate don't go and F Bomb when you are negotiating this "Fatigue Card" stuff. That would be upsetting for the rest of us.

If you are tired then call in fatigue. If you are capable of flying the trip please go and fly the trip. Simple stuff here.
 
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Raj, take a break, you dont have to be a dick every minute of your life.....




If your are tired, call it in. Fill out the form in 5 minutes, and go to bed. Where are we losing out on the fatigue policy? Where are we caving in?

Jee golly. Where's a Stag when I need one?
 
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No group should EVER have to negotiate a 'call-in-fatigue' provision. That provision is already covered in the 'fit-to-fly' provision in the regulations.

The correct stance, IMHO, is to negotiate a 'minimum-adequate-rest' provision. Then the fatigue issue becomes MUCH less relevant.
 

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You have to negotiate in pay protection or we'll have the same type stuff the airlines do. You call in fatigued at an airline, you lose money. You call in fatigued at NJA and you go to the hotel. The report waits til you're properly rested.

BTW, the reason behind the report was allegedly so they can track reasons behind fatigue calls and try to correct them. We all know they ask the wrong questions and 80% of those calls would stop if the OSU interns would put down the crack pipe, but it is what it is.
 

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No group should EVER have to negotiate a 'call-in-fatigue' provision. That provision is already covered in the 'fit-to-fly' provision in the regulations.

The correct stance, IMHO, is to negotiate a 'minimum-adequate-rest' provision. Then the fatigue issue becomes MUCH less relevant.
I like your thinking here.
 

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you need an Alabama Education I see
They don't teach humility in Tuscaloosa, or are you one of those who didn't go to school there?:D
 
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