What if they were required to have an ATP would that be paying for training? I know you took a swipe at SW for requiring the type but there are many that had the type from previous jobs and they paid nothing during training. So how is it that the pilots of SW that don't pay anything during training are some how a "pay for training" airline. While the delta pilots who do pay money during their training are not?That's a huge stretch. Paying for a hotel during training is not pay for training. Signing a training contract or being required to have a type prior to class is paying for training. Regardless of how one spins it, I hope that changes with the next contract.