Current JB upgrade times

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For what it's worth, two captains downgraded back to FO. This is not unusual. What does that tell you?
 

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It tells you they chose to be senior F/O's again, what's your point? This is a job and not a flying club.
 

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It tells you they chose to be senior F/O's again, what's your point? This is a job and not a flying club.

His point is our reserve system and low lines suck! If it was better the upgrade time would sky rocket.
 

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His point is our reserve system and low lines suck! If it was better the upgrade time would sky rocket.
Cause all 320 FOs in LGB and FLL are dying to spend their next 2 summers in Kew Gardens....

As long as there are red-eyes RSVs will get them...

Some folks like their base and driving in trumps a pay bump...
 
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Cause all 320 FOs in LGB and FLL are dying to spend their next 2 summers in Kew Gardens....



As long as there are red-eyes RSVs will get them...



Some folks like their base and driving in trumps a pay bump...
Yep that too. My personal example. Living in base as an FO getting 14-16 off.

Why give that up to commute to 12 off, never knowing my reserve window until the day before.

If we had deltas rsv(only 6 scr a month) or SWA 15 off(with set windows) or even spirits with a min 4 day off block after every rsv stint I wouldnt have passed it up and I know several 100 more in the same boat.

Our upgrade time will double for a few years if we get better QOL for rsv's and better quality trips via rigs and protections in our first contract.
 

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The SWA reserve sys.is the exception, not the norm. Our reserve sys is pretty standard as per the PDF ALPA recently put out to educate the masses. What are low lines you mentioned in your ramble above?
 

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The SWA reserve sys.is the exception, not the norm. Our reserve sys is pretty standard as per the PDF ALPA recently put out to educate the masses. What are low lines you mentioned in your ramble above?
Wow! You simply refuse to see how bad it is here compared to our peers. Because you live in base the problems with reserve are not apparent to you and you refuse to see how bad the schedules are now for those junior to you.

I'm just north of 50% on the seniority list and I would be willing to bet nobody with my relative seniority at any of the top 6 or 7 carriers would be willing to trade with me.
 
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The SWA reserve sys.is the exception, not the norm. Our reserve sys is pretty standard as per the PDF ALPA recently put out to educate the masses. What are low lines you mentioned in your ramble above?


The contract comparison was great and all but it was a very broad overview. 96 pages to compare 7-8 contracts that all have scheduling sections longer than that. The devil is in the details. Go read the other contracts rev rules and get back to us. How many SCR days? When are RSV windows known by? Hard line vacation, training and conflict touching? What types of trips will they be flying on rsv? Average hours flown per month for a rsv?

You know exactly what I mean when I say low lines. The bottom 1/3 line holders schedules are filled with red eyes(30% of our flying). 12-14 days off is normal in the bottom 1/3 due to trip and line construction.

There are reasons our upgrades dropped to 70% and 75% seniority, while other airline are around 60%. So yes, if these things are fixed our upgrade time will jump dramatically.
 

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The SWA reserve sys.is the exception, not the norm. Our reserve sys is pretty standard as per the PDF ALPA recently put out to educate the masses. What are low lines you mentioned in your ramble above?
Not completely true, how about LCR rules at UAL, DAL and AA? Do they typically pull 18 days sitting in base?
 

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How senior is LGB for new hires?
Also if you go to LGB make sure you live in base. You will spend years on reserve in LGB and commuting to reserve at JB gets a bit painful. However living in base on reserve especially as an FO can be a pretty sweet gig. Guy in my class '11 hire has bid reserve for about 4 years now and flew 13 days in 2014. However he had to add 3 days of work to get to sim to do his 3 bounces once so he actually worked 16 days last year. Not a horrible part time gig.
 

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Also if you go to LGB make sure you live in base. You will spend years on reserve in LGB and commuting to reserve at JB gets a bit painful. However living in base on reserve especially as an FO can be a pretty sweet gig. Guy in my class '11 hire has bid reserve for about 4 years now and flew 13 days in 2014. However he had to add 3 days of work to get to sim to do his 3 bounces once so he actually worked 16 days last year. Not a horrible part time gig.
Wow look like someone figured the system out, that would be a dream.
 

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I don't think that applies any more, jb is trying to utilize reserves to recover the overtime pay that would otherwise go to line holders. Trips are withheld from open time and given to reserves. They figure the reserve guarantees are already paid for, might as well fly them.
When I was on rsv, they would fly me right to the ot threshhold and no more trips, even though I still had to sit there for another x number of days. Unless CS was really in a bind, that is. One time it was literally 74.6 hours and still had to sit rsv for 4 days. I was not happy.
 
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Edit to the above post:
My last rsv stint was several years ago.
 

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I don't think that applies any more, jb is trying to utilize reserves to recover the overtime pay that would otherwise go to line holders. Trips are withheld from open time and given to reserves. They figure the reserve guarantees are already paid for, might as well fly them.
When I was on rsv, they would fly me right to the ot threshhold and no more trips, even though I still had to sit there for another x number of days. Unless CS was really in a bind, that is. One time it was literally 74.6 hours and still had to sit rsv for 4 days. I was not happy.

I was always curious about this scenario...in the above case could you UTO the last four days if the grid was green?

How do other airlines handle that scenario...seems like you are working for free at that point.
 

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I was always curious about this scenario...in the above case could you UTO the last four days if the grid was green?

How do other airlines handle that scenario...seems like you are working for free at that point.
No. You can only UTO 1 day. Can't UTO under 70 hours. UTOing 1 day puts you at like 71.
 

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I'm currently filling out the app, what are the resv rules like? How many days off on resv?

What's a realistic timeframe to hold MCO or FLL?
thx.
Just don't go to the interview being enthusiastic about MCO or FLL (or LGB based for that matter). Know that the junior based are JFK and BOS. Know the company before you interview.
 
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