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Seems Judge Gwin has called the parties back to court on January 12. Check your IBT emails and attend, in uniform! if you can.
 

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A very good sign.
 

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They are denying everyone at Flexjet PTO on those days. JW said its because of the Martin Luther King holiday...I had no idea we had so many owners who are postal workers...:rolleyes:
 

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They are denying everyone at Flexjet PTO on those days. JW said its because of the Martin Luther King holiday...I had no idea we had so many owners who are postal workers...:rolleyes:
Makes sense. If I were him I'd do anything and everything to keep credible witnesses who could go back to the pilot group out of the courtroom since it's possible they will have to testify under oath. The minute that happens and the pilots hear it, the whole house of cards comes tumbling.

But just like with past history (the hostages case) the company will do everything to place a gag order on the proceedings. So it is vitally important to keep the regular guys out in managdment's game. My understanding is Handshuch got caught red handed lying his ass off either on Yammer or in court during the hostage case, It's too bad we will never get the specifics on it. If union people are reading this, please don't let that happen again. Fight any gag order. We deserve to know who's orders they are following when they put out letters full of misdirection/lies and take such a cavalier attitude with our futures.

I am very hopeful. Unless the judge is completely out to lunch he will see through the BS. How is sitting there all day providing nothing but the current Options CBA with Flexjet scratched in the margin a sign of good faith negotiating? I've been told not to expect it since it's a virtual impossibility but how can they not he thrown in jail on Thursday? I hope the judge understands the only way to stop henchmen from doing Ricci's dirty work is to make them personally responsible for their choice to carry out his idiotic schemes. If he wants the BS to stop, he will have to compel managers to feel personally responsible and not use the Nazi order argument.
 

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I do expect the judge to be unhappy about their blatant disregard for his VSP order. But I don't expect their will be anyone going to jail. Incidentally, has anyone read SPT's rant on the yam? I haven't seen it, but I was told he only made about twenty spelling/grammar mistakes. Obviously he didn't write it on his own! :rolleyes:
 
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I do expect the judge to be unhappy about their blatant disregard for his VSP order. But I don't expect their will be anyone going to jail. Incidentally, has anyone read SPT's rant on the yam? I haven't seen it, but I was told he only made about twenty spelling/grammar mistakes. Obviously he didn't write it on his own! :rolleyes:
I agree but I hold out hope regardless. I hope the union brings up the BS regarding the PTO denials for the union people. I thought the entire point of losing 3 days per year plus our entire bank was so we can take PTO whenever we need it. The judge should be the one to determine if Weiss is playing games. I hope the union presents the denials in court. They have a tendency to miss the advantage with these things, just saying.

As for yammer, Tim does himself no favors. I kinda feel sorry for him. You really have to wonder what's going on with him. Outside of the diehard IGM's I never run into any pro company folks these days. The masses might still not be vocally pro union (fear still exists) but almost everyone universally hates what this company and our management represent. If Hanschuch only knew how badlt he is skewered behind his back, he would think twice about his schtick.
 

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While I refuse to read the tripe on yammer, I do get texts of some posts. If we have the "union's rules", why am I on duty more than 14 hours before I arrive home today? What we actually have is exactly what management wants us to have. All the BS policies they want us to have with none of the protections in the actual CBA. TP is comepletely management's tool. You can't fix stupid.
 

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These actions come as no surprise to the Options pilots. Their dictatorship is coming to an end, and these actions indicate just how desperate they are.
 

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I'd say they are still in session.
 

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Will they send a report good or bad? I'm surprised your not at the courthouse DOH.
 

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Unless there's 4 people sitting in a 4 by 8 cell I don't think I will be Overly excited. This place is a steady diet of disappointments.
 

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Unless there's 4 people sitting in a 4 by 8 cell I don't think I will be Overly excited. This place is a steady diet of disappointments.
As much FUN as that would be, as FAIR as that would be, as DESERVED as that would be, you do know that was never going to happen right? So, I'm not disappointed.

Anytime you walk into court and don't lose anything it's a win. That's what they say anyway. But from what I heard directly from one of our union leaders is they think we went well beyond that but have to wait on the written ruling before he would spill any detailed beans.

Additionally, he said its still an unknown how the judge will ultimately decide the contempt, so it's too early to say what really happened there. It's not like a criminal trial where you find out that day on everything. I guess we're not going to know anything until there's paper to back it up.
 

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Will they send a report good or bad? I'm surprised your not at the courthouse DOH.
Maybe he was working or doesn't live in cleveland. What's your excuse? You live in cleveland right?

Unless there's 4 people sitting in a 4 by 8 cell I don't think I will be Overly excited. This place is a steady diet of disappointments.
Why don't you get off your keyboard and do something about it then? I'm a late comer to the union side but after realizing what wer're up against I got fired up. Have you ever had that passion or have you always just launched spitballs from the nose bleed section?
 

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Hey Texas. Instead of attacking me. Why don't you take your passion and wake up those idiots you work with that are embarrassing the aviation community in general not just our pilot group. And my comment was not a slam against DOH. He could have been working or couldn't make it to Cleveland i know how passionate he is and was just making a friendly observation.
 

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I just heard that the judge is going to support the union in the VSP and now the company is trying to spin it as something great that they wanted all along. :laugh: :beer:
 
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