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I have been at Comair Academy for about 18 months as a student and CFI. The system DOES work.
Everybody who hangs in there through all of the ratings and gets their 1000 TT and 100 ME as an instructor gets their interview. Almost all of those get hired. Maybe closer to 80% than 97% since 9/11, but that's still a better deal than you'll get elsewhere. Those who don't immediately get on with Comair find jobs at other regionals shortly thereafter. Try even getting in the door with 1000/100 from an FBO. Furthermore, try getting the 100 hrs of precious twin time anywhere outside a 141 school...good luck if you're not able to buy it.
The tough part is completing the program. A lot of people don't have what it takes...and I'm talking motivation far more than intellect. This goes for 141 schools in general! You must immerse yourself in aviation, not just show up and fly. You will attend groundschool three hrs a day, fly twice, and be held to extremely high standards both knowledge wise and in the airplane. Not a whole lot of time left for drinking, partying, going to the beach, etc. These are the people who don't make it.
The school provides what they promise...the ratings, the time, the interview, and a very good shot at the airline job...even post 9/11. They still have what most schools don't...airline owned, and, more importantly, an airline that's hiring.
 

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Sniff Sniff

Anyone smell that? Hmmm....what is that smell...OH! I remember now, it's the smell of Comair Marketing hype. I bet I know what dept. signs this guy's paycheck, and it's not the OPS dept.!!!



Dude, you even write like a commercial!

Chunk <---don't buy the hype!
 

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Man I needed a good laugh!! Gimme a break! I went to Comair for my instrument through MEII and aside from it being WAY over priced, it wasn't any more demanding than any other program at your local ma and pa FBO. If only I had known then what I know now I could have saved a shi-tload of money. And no time for drinking, girls, and the beach?? That was pretty much the lifestyle of 90% of the students when I was there and we all "made it through" just fine.
 

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No, I'm not a marketer. Believe me, I've had more than my share of frustrations with Comair, as everyone does at every school. I could easily get caught up in sniveling and whining about the airplanes not being new, the prices being high, etc, etc. However, I choose to present the big picture. I'm just trying to get across to those looking at flight schools that people who come to Comair DO get hired by airlines, even after 9/11. Isn't that what we're after?
Also, you're right, people do party and go to the beach, myself included. It's just that many people take it too far. Are you there for flight training or the college atmosphere? Believe me, I've had my share of students who didn't make it OR spent way too much money because they didn't take their education seriously enough.
 

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"Try even getting in the door with 1000/100 from an FBO. "

Hmm.. I know several quality individuals who have had successful interviews and were hired by different outfits who paid their dues at FBOs.

There are some people in HR out there who frown on the larger "hype" schools.
 

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Who do you know that has been HIRED with 1000/100 from an FBO since 9/11???? I seriously doubt it. Probably closer to 3000/300. But, I'm not bagging on FBO's at all. I loved my part 61 training...it was very high quality and, yes, cheaper. It's just that you should expect to spend more time training and will have to build many more hrs in today's climate to be competitive with the guys and gals coming from the big schools who have connections with the airlines. Just ask some people who have been in Comair classes lately. Lots of high timers along with lots of academy grads with 1000/100. Nobody with 1000/100 or even 2000/200 from the outside.
 

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You don't have to go to Comair flight school to get an airline job. Airlines don't CARE where you get your flight training. They care about whether you can fly a plane or not. As for people getting hired with 1000/100 post 9/11...Commutair pops up immediately. Anybody else want to chime in with others? Hmm....gross overgeneralizations *never* (whoops....there I go now), correction, ALMOST never work.
 

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correct me if i'm wrong but comair airlines doesn't have a contractual obligation to hire anyone from their flight school. right or wrong?

that being the case, walk across the street from the ops building and get some specific numbers on the exact quanitity of instructors that have been hired on with comair airlines since 9/11/01. then i might be impressed. you yourself said "lots" of guys with 1000/100 have been in class recently.

i find it hard to believe that the number is that high given the quantity and quality of applicants that we now have to choose from. i spoke with one of the primary captains that conducts interviews in cvg just last week here in mco and when we talked about the type of people being hired now he didn't mention anything about academy grads. it was more like former or current 121/135 types with turbine experience. in fact, he said if you didn't have that type of experience you could pretty much hang it up.

additionally, comair the academy, not the airline, needs to update their website. every single one of the airlines that they list as having agreements with has pilots on furlough. just a little bit dated.

i'm not trying to be negative about the academy or flame you. i would merely like you to stand behind your claims with some specific numbers...
 

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I'll try to get solid numbers for you if I happen to head over that way but I'm not the Comair poster child. I just wanted to give prospective students a heads up. Sorry if it sounded like I was trying to sell it. I personally know at least 20 CFI's who have been hired since 9/11 and I'm sure the actual # is higher. I only know 4 who have been rejected.
 

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Hey 172driver,

Don't let them get to you. You hang in there and when you finish your instructing program and get the time, you'll get your interview. With the positive attitude you have, you'll probably get the job too.

Your detractors are probably a group of folks that haven't made it yet or got rejected. As for somebody that compares gettin a job at Commutair to a job at Comair well, he just doesn't have a clue. Feel sorry for him, don't get upset.

Hope to see you on line before too long. When you're sitting in the CL-65 you won't have to worry any more about the critique from the envious.

C academy is far from being god's gift to aviation and it IS too expensive, but if you finish the internship in the CFI program you will get the interview. If you're lucky enough to be hired by Comair, your seniority number will be 2 years ahead of folks with similar experience. What's more, you'll be working for an airline, not a commuter.

Good luck.
 

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Hey 172,

I'm gald your happy. However you should wait until you get out of a 172 before you go back and critique your training. You don't know anything different. This post would have had more credibility if you had graduated from Comair (or whatever they do) and had a couple years of "real world" flying before declaring Comair the best.

S.
 

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Just to show that Commutair (which is a decent company) isn't the only one hiring low time pilots...

"Who do you know that has been HIRED with 1000/100 from an FBO since 9/11??? I seriously doubt it. Probably closer to 3000/300."

There are 2 pilots posting on the Regional portion of the Interview Message Board here that just got interviews with around 1600TT. Don't just assume things so readily. You don't need 3000TT to get hired by a regional right now. You need to have a wide network of people who know you as a good pilot. With that, you will get letters of reccomendation, good words said, resumes hand delivered, etc. That is how to get interviews in good and bad times in aviation. Posting poor assumptions when you don't have the experience to back it up is not a good way to make contacts on this board. I have personally acquired a flying job directly because of contact with people on this board. Network, network, NETWORK!!!:)
 

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Thanks for the good words Surplus. To the others...nobody said Comair was wonderful or "the best." I've been close to leaving for the higher pay and hours of the part 61 world several times and have many friends who have done so. Most of these friends will join me at the regionals and have higher time than I right now. However, not one of them has more than 30 hrs of ME time, nor do they know where to get it. All I said was that the program works. I don't need outside experience to see that. I have seen over a hundred CFI's go to regionals after the academy. No, this is absolutely not the only way to get there. It may not even be the best way. Everybody has different situations...especially family and financial. For me, it works...I needed to borrow the $$$ and get through quickly, thus part 61 didn't work for me. I stand by my statement that it is a tried and true way to get to the regionals....the quality regionals. Besides, how many CFI's out there have Delta travel benefits?
 

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About low time hires - I think they will start occuring more and more. Commutair is hiring at 900/100, and you can get an interview with around that time. I think a lot of regionals don't want the super experienced guys because the regionals know that these guys will be gone as soon as the industry recovers (which it is already in the process of doing).

Also, I lot of major airline pilots who were furloughed are not going back to regionals (except flow back agreements). I have talked with several who have no intention of looking for a regional job. They can't take the pay cut and they don't want to work that hard! These guys have seniority numbers at major airlines. They can collect unemployment for a length of time, and then most of them are doing a lot outside of aviation. Some are military, landscapers, bartenders, mr. moms, etc.

So I don't think people should be getting all bent out of shape because there are a lot of high time pilots on the street. Yes you will see them at your regional interviews, but if you have a good interview, you will get the job. A company doesn't fly you out to have an interview without the intention of hiring you (or so I've been told). For most places, its your interview to blow.

And about ComAir, I had an instructor that went through the program but they didn't hire him as an instructor. D@mn good guy, and good pilot. So I don't know what kind of show they running.

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I don't know any specifics, but a friend of mine who just finished the sim at Comair said there was nobody in his class from the academy. In fact all but one in his class (of about 25) had prior 121 experience. The only guy who didn't have 121 experience had corporate experience and a lot of time.
 

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I have no problem with you expressing an opinion about the Comair Academy, I'm sure it turns out fine pilots. You are trying to make a point that post 09/11 hiring atmosphere has given you and advantage. You can't sell the fact that the Academy folks whom are getting the interviews now knew 18 months ago that industry hiring would be so greatly influenced by the events of 09/11. Nor can you say what is going to be driving hiring trends 18 months from now.

From my experience it has never been about where I did my training (Part 61), but what I took from that training. I am extremely fortunate to have had opportunities present themselves that have allowed me to progress towards my career goals. Never once have I creditied my training experience as a factor in whether I got an interview or a job. Experience yes....where I did my primary training...no! Good luck!
 

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True, true, and true again. Before 9/11, and especially during the strike, I thought I may not have been in such a good place. Fickle business we're in...could change tomorrow. I loved the training I did part 61...much more freedom to work on the things that NEED to be worked on, instead of what the lesson sheet says. Part 61, like 141, really depends on the quality of the people in the airplane, not the rules they're operating under. My original intent with these posts was to let confused future students know what this option (141--Comair) is like. I am not, again, not, saying rah, rah Comair or that 141 is the way to go. Excuuuse me to all those who jumped on me about defending my school. It's just that I see so much negativity on the boards about every option, thought I'd throw some positive words out there. Everybody seems to say ...I would've done it differently, even if they're now driving Boeings. Why do pilots complain so much? Don't y'all like what you're doing?
 
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