Comair pay scale

Obi-Wan

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If you have the Comair CL-65 captain pay scale please post it here. I want to check it against other contracts. Thanks.
 

Andy Neill

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Here's what I have for DOS (last year).
Yr/$
1/54.40
2/56.09
3/57.81
4/59.61
5/61.45
6/63.35
7/65.31
8/67.33
9/69.41
10/71.56
11/73.77
12/76.05
13/78.41
14/80.83
15/83.33
16-18/85.83

On 6/22/02 they go up about 3%

If you go to http://www.skywestpilot.com/interview/pay.html you can see that the SkyWest scales are the same except they don't stop at the 16th year.
 

Guam360

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Year 16-18 won't have any significance, they will hopfully be an increase from the next contract, amendable 2005.

just a supplement to previous post:

06/22/05

16/$101.25
17/$103.25
18/$105.55

by these years you should be able to hold CRJ 70 Capt. if there are enough to go around...

CRJ 70
16/$111.36
17/$114.71
18/$118.22

Good luck...!
 

Obi-Wan

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How about other provisions of the Skywest contract? Did management match everything that Comair got? ie, commuter clause, benefits etc.. Thanks.
 

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Recognizing what pilots have at SkyWest is not a contract per se but an agreement, it is a very good package. It does not have a commuter policy. However, the minimum daily guarantee is a DAILY guarantee and not a 30 day look back. The daily guarantee is 3.75. There is a 1:2 duty guarantee for the first 12 hours of scheduled duty and a 1:1 guarantee for schedules longer than 12 hours. Trips that are cancelled for maintenance or weather are paid at the scheduled level. Each leg pays the greater of actual or historic block. That is, if you were scheduled for 6 legs of 1:00 each and alternate legs actually took 1:05 and 0:55, you would be paid 3*1:05 + 3*1:00 for 6:15 while the actual block to block was 6:00.
 

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Hello,

This is a little off topic, but I am a new hire that is waiting on class and I was wondering this:

When do my first and second year pay scales begin?
Does my second year pay scale begin 12 months after FIRST DAY of CLASS or AFTER Checkride?

Thanks Jet
 

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Everything goes by your date of hire, unless you go on strike...

When you upgrade, it goes by the start of IOE, or when someone junior to you finishes IOE first. Hope that helps.
 

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i had no idea that the comair pay-scale was identical to the skywest pay-scale. did you sign this before or after our contract? if before, so much for an industry-leading contract.

i bet you guys get more days off a month than we do as well, right? currently 10, 11 in july.

fly safe andy!!!
 

Andy Neill

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We did indeed establish those rates after Comair's. We use most of the ASA scale for the Brasilia and most of the Comair scale for the CRJ (except for first year FO).

As far as days off, it is 10-11 for the reservists since 20 times the daily guarantee of 3.75 is the monthly 75 hours for those on reserve. For those with flying lines, days off ranged from 11-18 for the CRJ. Brasilia days off varied by domicile with 11-12 at the samllest domicile and 13-21 at one of the larger domiciles.
 

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Anaconda,

The way it works is that in payment for not voting a union on property SkyWest management promises to keep the SkyWest compensation on par with the leading edge of the industry. So everybody else pays dues, negotiates, strikes, or whatever to keep raising the bar and the SkyWest pilots kick back and reap the rewards without ever taking their turn at bat. Good deal, huh?
 

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And a Post Script (PS) to all the non-aviation readers out there:

Hourly rates are as stated but jet pilots are limited to a thousand (1,000) hour year. So please don't make the Sen. McCain mistake and multiply by the business standard 2,080 hours in a year.

The first year captain is making $56,000/yr and the 16 year guy is making just over $100,000/yr.

Please also remember that the guy in the right seat is making right around $25,000/yr in his first year and you will have to pay your dues in the right seat for some time before you make captain.

Compare to computer programmers and engineers making $50K right out of college and most break the six figure barrier by their fifth year.

Love this job!
 

sydeseet

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You kick back and reap the rewards???? Open your eyes.

I get great insurance for dirt cheap. Have a union behind me if; I'm injured, sick, violated, supended, fired, or otherwise in trouble. If I lost my medical tomorrow I would have a full-time staff of experts fighting to get it back. In the meantime I would get a lump-sum up front plus a monthly paycheck. That's just the beginning. Good ol' ALPA.

Your management promises?????? That's genuine - really good stuff. They promise all of that and will probably stick by it until times get a little tough, then suddenly the deal is altered. Maybe there's a reason they don't want a union on the property............

Just a though or two.
 

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sydeseet,

I think you missed the intended (benign) sarcasm of Caveman's post. I believe that he's soliidly with you on this one.

Your references to the validity of management's promises really need to take into account their track record. That track record includes no pilot furloughs in their 30 years of operation. I believe SOMEWHERE in those 30 there were a couple of tough times. Their promises include keeping people in class after Sept 11 when others sent new hires home or out on the street. Those promises have included pay scales that are aligned with the best of our competitors flying the same equipment and work rules better than most of our competitors.

The company formula for success is to provide a quality product at a competitive price. When that is linked with the comparative pay scales, I have a hard time finding fault with it.

Not having a union on the property allows SkyWest to turn with the agility of an F-16 which provides it an operational advantage in the market place. That agility usually results in a realized benefit to the pilot group.

Trust me, you have better targets than SkyWest to aim such rhetoric at.
 
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