Saabslime
Dysfunctional family
- Joined
- Dec 3, 2001
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- 509
How many of you 121 drivers cancel IFR before you land? I've done it once or twice if I'm a ways out, its severe clear, and somebody is waiting to take off. Other than that I usually make it a rule to cancel only after I've landed for a number of reasons.
Going into SCE last night, an Alleganey (sp?) Dash 8 and ourselves were with New York center approaching from the N.E. and West respectively. We were approximately the same distance from the airport but we were slightly faster so the controller told us we would be number one. 24 was the active runway. About 5 miles out (it was a little hazy) we call the airport in sight and are cleared for the visual. Just as we're crossing midfield and entering the left downwind, the Dash cancelles their flight plan. At this point we're at just a slightly lower altitude with about 7 miles separation between us going head to head. We broadcast on CTAF that were midfield left downwind for 24 and ask them if they have us in sight....no reply. We have them on TCAS but not visually. We've already started a descent for landing and with the bluffs to the east are getting too low to widen the downwind anymore. 4 miles and closing. I can see that if we turn base its going to be way too close so I begin climbing back to MSA and have the F.O. state that we'll extend the donwind to follow traffic, again no response (and yes we were on the right freq.) Just as we get an RA, they turn on their landing lights and go zipping by our left side on final. I was so pissed as soon as we parked I went over to their plane to have a "chat" but they had already fled the scene. All this just so they could save those precious few minutes and not have to "follow" a competing airline into their home turf, or so I presume. What a bunch of A$$holes.
Going into SCE last night, an Alleganey (sp?) Dash 8 and ourselves were with New York center approaching from the N.E. and West respectively. We were approximately the same distance from the airport but we were slightly faster so the controller told us we would be number one. 24 was the active runway. About 5 miles out (it was a little hazy) we call the airport in sight and are cleared for the visual. Just as we're crossing midfield and entering the left downwind, the Dash cancelles their flight plan. At this point we're at just a slightly lower altitude with about 7 miles separation between us going head to head. We broadcast on CTAF that were midfield left downwind for 24 and ask them if they have us in sight....no reply. We have them on TCAS but not visually. We've already started a descent for landing and with the bluffs to the east are getting too low to widen the downwind anymore. 4 miles and closing. I can see that if we turn base its going to be way too close so I begin climbing back to MSA and have the F.O. state that we'll extend the donwind to follow traffic, again no response (and yes we were on the right freq.) Just as we get an RA, they turn on their landing lights and go zipping by our left side on final. I was so pissed as soon as we parked I went over to their plane to have a "chat" but they had already fled the scene. All this just so they could save those precious few minutes and not have to "follow" a competing airline into their home turf, or so I presume. What a bunch of A$$holes.