Bombardier bask to work, Comair update

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Bombardier back to work, Comair update

Training has said the next new hire class will be July 22, Bombardier / Comair are in the process of updaing the delivery schedule for the remainder of the year. Good luck to all.


MONTREAL, QUEBEC, May 3, 2002 (CCNMatthews via COMTEX) -- Bombardier Aerospace announced today that its unionized employees, members of Local 712 of the International Association of Machinists & Aerospace Workers (IAMAW), have accepted the recommandation for settlement contained in the conciliation report of Quebec provincial government mediator-conciliator, Pierre Gervais. As a result, the strike action begun April 15th, 2002 has ended and employees will return to work on Sunday evening, May 5, 2002.
 
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Am I understanding this correctly....so the may 29th class that had been cancelled won't run until july 22nd??!!

I was hoping they'd start running classes again in mid june. Oh well....


Anyone know what's going on with interviews. I have a couple buddies whose interviews have been pushed back. Are they actively interviewing right now?
 

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I would be intested to know where that information came from. When I talked to Linda this morning her guess for me (May 22nd class) was mid June.
 

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class date info

Comair training dept said 22 july, I don't know why they would say something different than HR. Also no new base this year due to Bombardier strike, thats from CEO.
 

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hold on to your hats

As far as I knew , what Linda says is what I am goin with..She seems to be the one in charge of everything...The strike was only 3 weeks so maybe things weren't altered all that much....

I'm so anxious I'm about to cry ...wish class would just start!!!
"Calgon take me away"

well atleast we're not waiting for a class at ALG....I have about 8 friends over there, one of which was 2 days away from his checkride....he got axed yesterday....another has been there close to 2 years..he's afraid he's on the chopping block..just last month he was thinking about when upgrade would be....


well theres my .02 for the week..

take care
 

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smoke em if ya got em...

look at the bright side ...a bit more summer to enjoy....AND a bit more baseball to be played....my team will be soo thrilled..
 

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To all of you new hire hopefuls....

out of a meeting today directly from Rademacher, Pres. and Osmundsun, VP of Ops.

The earliest new hires will be in July training, 26 RJ's this year, 30 more next year. 200 new hires this year.

Linda is wonderful and usually a great source, but this is the latest and most accurate.

Brasilias will be gone by Oct 1. Ofcourse , believe it when you see it.

All of us 120 drivers will be training throughout the summer, and may be with some new hires in July, Aug, Sep.

Good luck to all and be patient , if you can.

any new bases are up to Delta and economy, Orlando is still up in the air. So none were discussed.
 

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Did they talk about the CRJ700 in the meeting? I'm curious what will happen with that. At my interview, they were talking about possibly puting new hires into the 70 seater because FO's weren't bidding the plane for fear of missing their upgrade.

200 more pilots this year or does that number include all of us in the pool?
 

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Their was no mention of the 70 seater, but good question, how many 50/40 seaters and how many 70 seaters, we didn't get that info, someone might have asked that while I wasn't there.

26 planes still means 26 planes. The equation is like this:

there are about 50 FO's in MCO and 200 new hires=250.
with about 9-10 crews per plane equals 250, 26 by 9=234,etc.

as for new hires, this is just my opinion, when the next bid comes out for the 70, then lets say there are 30 seats each, the top 15 CA's will be very senior and the bottom could be new CA's, the top 10 FO's could be very senior and the bottom 20 could be new hires.

don't think much into it, just get the job if you want it.
I don't know anything about "the pool", I am sure you will be in class first.....

good Luck!
 

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Guam360 said:
Their was no mention of the 70 seater, but good question, how many 50/40 seaters and how many 70 seaters, we didn't as for new hires, this is just my opinion, when the next bid comes out for the 70, then lets say there are 30 seats each, the top 15 CA's will be very senior and the bottom could be new CA's, the top 10 FO's could be very senior and the bottom 20 could be new hires.

good Luck!
As for the last bid for the 70 that was awarded, the CA side went VERY senior with the bottom number at seniority #38. As for the FO side of things, only 11 people bid voluntairily, with the remainder being junior assigned into the airplane. With this last bid being rescinded due to the Bombardier strike as well as the change in delivery dates, the whole picture becomes just a bit muddled. This is great news for those who were JA'd and did not want to go into the airplane right now. The most junior person who bid the airplane on the FO side was in the 1240's range on the list.
At this point, new hires filling out the bottom is by NO means an unrealistic possibility! :eek: :eek:
 

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I'm not sure why anyone would be upset at getting the 70 seater as a new hire. You probably won't be able to be a captain for two years anyway, and the pay is higher. You will also be on reserve in either aircraft. I believe the seat lock is for a year, and if you can then hold a FO line in the 50 seater, then come on over. Or, you could stay in the higher pay and bid captain in both aircraft. Good luck to all.
 

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Hay I agree with ya SKY:)
JUST SHOW ME THE AIRPLANE:) 50 seater or 70 seater, Bring it on..I WOULD FLY IT LIKE A HAPPY MAN. I guess you can tell i am a EAGLE furlough...Hope to see you guys soon in the ground school...
 

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skydiverdriver said:
I'm not sure why anyone would be upset at getting the 70 seater as a new hire. You probably won't be able to be a captain for two years anyway, and the pay is higher. You will also be on reserve in either aircraft. I believe the seat lock is for a year, and if you can then hold a FO line in the 50 seater, then come on over. Or, you could stay in the higher pay and bid captain in both aircraft. Good luck to all.
The first batch of folks were indeed relatively new, but most that I had spoken with personally did NOT want to go into the aircraft right away. As for the pay issue, 1st year is no difference whatsoever. 2nd year, the is only a 3 dollar per hour difference between the two airplanes. While true, they would be on reserve, they would have much more opportunity to fly on the 50 seater due to the sheer number of airplanes. After speaking to the crew planning folks extensively, it was then I personally decided not to bid the 70 seater. I was told that for awhile, the schedules would be notoriously inefficient due to the small number of aircraft. It would be very easy to make more money on the 50 seater for awhile until we get a sufficient amount of 700's. As I understand from some of the folks that were JA'd, if you would bid back to the right seat of the 50 after leaving the 70, there would be either a 2 or 3 year seat lock. If true, I am sure this was done to prevent jumping between the 2 airplanes. I also dont believe that there will be any jumping between the two airplanes. If you are a 700 CA, you will not be flying the 50 seater.
 

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SDD,

Read your contract, 12 month initial freeze then if you bid down in pay there is a 36 month seat lock. i.e. 70/fo to 50/fo....... That = 4 years and your upgrade # will come up before then, not a smart move in my opinion. Section 23.0 page 23-16. Just my $0.02.

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I dont' think you'd be able to hold 70 Captain until the year 2034. It's a rather senior aircraft. As for bidding over to 50 seat FO, not a swift move in my opinion. You're seat locked for darned near an eternity. Your best bet is to wait and bid 50 seat captain as soon as you could hold it. Could be anywhere from 2-3 years depending upon growth, etc.

Other than that, getting 70 seat as a new hire is not to shabby.
 

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You need 500 hours with the company to upgrade. That could take forever sitting reserve on the 70 and that's assuming you had all the other numbers to upgrade. If you also needed a 1000 more TT you would be stuck forever. A new hire will sit reserve on the 50 for less than a year and a line holder in the 50 will make more than a reserve in the 70. More than 11 FO's bid the 70 but only 11 were picked because a lot of them, me included, put in conditional bids that wouldn't select us unless we could hold the upper 50% seniority. In other words if we couldn't hold a regular line we didn't want it.
 

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I really get the feeling that since the bid came out for the 70, and now recinded, eveyone got a look at how senior the 70 CA went, I can't imagine the bottom of those senior CA's bidding for it again knowing they will be on reserve forever, I feel that they may have to junior assign new CA's to the 70. remember, there will only be 27, so it is a dead end.

if I was Seniority#16 on down as a Capt. I wouldn't go for the 70, If there are 30 seats.
What do fellow CMR guys think?

Us new CA's might end up there? I don't have my contract in front of me...
 

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Just curious...how many 70 seaters are expected to be delivered this year? I didn't even think of the potential downside to getting the new plane right off the bat....interesting posts.
 

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Guam360,

Personally I wouldn't mind being junior-manned as a CA into the 70. I live in CVG and sitting reserve in domicile is a totally different ballgame than commuting. I'll gladly take the 75 hour Captains pay and stay home most of the month. Plenty of time for golf and the money to enjoy the free time. Now, if I wanted PIC to move on to a major that would be a different story, but $60K @ year to hang out at home isn't a bad deal at all.
 

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Got a letter in the mail today from sharon jones today talking about the strike and the fact that new hire classes have been postponed. No real news I guess, but it's nice that they sent it out.

She said they continue to interview and will keep us informed as soon as class dates become available.

Anyone else get the letter?
 
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